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pauraque_bk ([personal profile] pauraque_bk) wrote2004-11-10 01:25 am

CoS 18

Chapter 17 generated an unusual amount of discussion! Y'all are smart kids. :*


CoS 18: Dobby's Reward

[...]just as Harry found himself and Ron being swept up into Mrs Weasley's tight embrace.
'You saved her! You saved her!
How did you do it?' (241)
I think it's weird that we're not shown Molly hugging *Ginny*, just the boys. The way Ginny is treated in this chapter is weird generally. More on this in a few pages.

[Dumbledore:] 'Very few people know that Lord Voldemort was once called Tom Riddle. I taught him myself, fifty years ago, at Hogwarts. He disappeared after leaving the school ... travelled far and wide ... sank so deeply into the Dark Arts, consorted with the very worst of our kind, underwent so many dangerous, magical transformations, that when he resurfaced as Lord Voldemort, he was barely recognisable. Hardly anyone connected Lord Voldemort with the clever, handsome boy who was once Head Boy here.' (242)
Except the "intimate friends" with whom Tom was already using the name at school! One wonders who they were... or if they even existed. We know Tom was a favorite of the staff, but was he popular? A half-blood in Slytherin today would meet with bigotry, but was that the case in the 1930s and 40s? Was he admired for his accomplishments, or seen as a geek, a weird uber-smart teacher's pet? Early on, I think it's Harry who compares Tom to Percy (though it might have been Ron, I can't recall).

Dumbledore offers no indication of *why* Tom disappeared, nor whether he set off to explore the Dark Arts or merely fell into them. My sense is that he was already interested in immortality, which could be confirmed by his urge to "back up" his memories in diary form, as [livejournal.com profile] caesia390 commented in Chapter 13. I can't find it now, but someone also said in a comment that it makes sense for him to have a great interest in permanence and personal security, given his childhood circumstances.

[Dumbledore:] 'This has been a terrible ordeal for her. There will be no punishment. Older and wiser wizards than she have been hoodwinked by Lord Voldemort. [...] Bed rest and perhaps a large, steaming mug of hot chocolate. I always find that cheers me up [...] You will find that Madam Pomfrey is still awake. She's just giving out Mandrake juice -- I dare say the Basilisk's victims will be waking up any moment.' (243)
We talked about this passage a bit in the last post. How can it be considered sufficient to "not punish" an 11-year-old kid who's been mentally violated, forced to do terrible things, and very nearly killed? To dismiss her suffering with a prescription of bed rest and chocolate (even considering its known magical properties) seems like madness. But it's not inconsistent with the wizarding world's general attitude toward suffering and psychological damage -- these things just aren't taken seriously.

One can debate the rightness of that in the characters and their culture, but that's a separate question from whether JKR herself is taking Ginny's trauma seriously, and there's precious little evidence that she is. The last time we see her in this book, she's giggling over Percy and his girlfriend (250), and we hear nothing more from her about the events of CoS until OotP, where she seems offended that the incident slipped Harry's mind. But who can blame him? All the other characters seem to want nothing more than to gloss the whole thing over.

On another note, in the last chapter [livejournal.com profile] gmth quite reasonably asked how Nick was able to take the potion. [livejournal.com profile] _hannelore suggested that splashing it on him could work, but aside from that, I haven't the foggiest. Nick is mentioned once in passing in PoA, but what happened the previous year is not remarked upon.

'Am I a Professor?' said Lockhart in mild surprise. 'Goodness. I expect I was hopeless, was I?' (244)
Again, we don't know the exact nature of Lockhart's mental state here, but if we can take this as something he truly believes about himself -- or believed about himself at one time -- it's very interesting indeed.

'He tried to do a Memory Charm and the wand backfired,' Ron explained quietly to Dumbledore.
'Dear me,' said Dumbledore, shaking his head, his long silver moustache quivering. 'Impaled upon your own sword, Gilderoy!'
(244)
Hm, so Dumbledore knows about Lockhart's memory-modifying ways. And appears to be amused by his fate! I think this supports the notion that Dumbledore hired Lockhart in the first place to teach him a lesson of some kind.

'You can speak Parseltongue, Harry,' said Dumbledore calmly, 'because Lord Voldemort -- who is the last remaining descendant of Salazar Slytherin -- can speak Parseltongue. Unless I'm very much mistaken, he transferred some of his own powers to you the night he gave you that scar. Not something he intended to do, I'm sure...' (245)
And yet, after intentionally pouring his soul into Ginny, she's left unscathed. Right-o.

'It only put me in Gryffindor,' said Harry in a defeated voice, 'because I asked not to go in Slytherin...'
'
Exactly,' said Dumbledore, beaming once more. 'Which makes you very different from Tom Riddle. It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.' (245)
Man, where to start with this?

1) When Harry asked for anything but Slytherin, he wasn't making an informed decision. He'd heard some exaggerated claims about what Slytherins are like, and, more immediately, wanted to avoid getting stuck in a dorm with a kid he already disliked.

2) It's hard to read this and come up with anything but "Slytherin is bad", which is just... sigh. Possibly "personal ambition is bad", which goes along with Lockhart's severe punishment, but ambition is Slytherin's symbolic trait, so there you are again. Is Harry virtuous not because he fought to save Ginny, but because he chose to wear red and gold?

3) It may not be the best of ideas to incorporate a major "free choice" theme into a story where you've also got real prophecies, not to mention a time travel event that's depicted in a way that suggests pre-destination. If for no other reason than that it makes my little head hurt.

[Dumbledore to Lucius:] '[...] Several of them seemed to think that you had threatened to curse their families if they didn't agree to suspend me in the first place.' (246)
Mm. The implication being that Lucius is more powerful than your average wizard, I guess. Special Dark Powers?

'And imagine,' Dumbledore went on, 'what might have happened then ... The Weasleys are one of our most prominent pure-blood families. Imagine the effect on Arthur Weasley and his Muggle Protection Act, if his own daughter was discovered attacking and killing Muggle-borns[...]' (247)
This seems to be conjecture on Dumbledore's part. It makes sense, but only Lucius knows for certain.

[...]and Lucius Malfoy had been sacked as a school governor. (250)
Who appoints and dismisses the school governors, I wonder?

And together they walked back through the gateway to the Muggle world. (251)
And that's that.


After allowing time for discussion of this chapter, I'll do a wrap-up post. The rest of the re-read posts are here.

[identity profile] eponis.livejournal.com 2004-11-10 04:04 am (UTC)(link)
Hm, so Dumbledore knows about Lockhart's memory-modifying ways. And appears to be amused by his fate! I think this supports the notion that Dumbledore hired Lockhart in the first place to teach him a lesson of some kind.

Rack up another point for dubious!Dumbledore . . . seriously, if he chose a self-aggrandizing liar over Lupin (to return to a discussion of the past), then all I can think is that either Lupin was simply unavailable or he really, really, really didn't want a werewolf on staff.

It makes sense, but only Lucius knows for certain.

Does it? I mean, yes, the media often treats Harry Potter like an adult - but would anyone seriously believe that an 11-year-old girl was committing hate murders? The more that I think about this explanation, the less sense it makes to me. Particularly considering the widespread and well-known use of the Imperius curse during Voldemort's reign, it seems like most people would assume outside manipulation or control, not a homicidal first-year.

(Dumbledore takes care to note that the Weasleys are "pure-bloods." Why? The sentence makes just as much sense without it.)

[identity profile] serriadh.livejournal.com 2004-11-10 05:39 am (UTC)(link)
This makes no sense to me either. Why would anyone think Ginny had been able to control the basilisk anyway? If you expect people to swallow the idea that there's been a huge snake living in Hogwarts since the time of Slytherin himself (or at least since Riddle left) and that it can be controlled and that it attacks muggle-borns then why the hell can't you also accept demonic possession of some sort?

Maybe Dumbledore just wants the WHOLE THING kept out of the press... that would be a more sensible idea, but it's not totally clear from what he actually says.

It also suggests that Lucius knew exactly what was happening and deliberately planted the diary on Ginny to annoy Arthur/destroy his career. I can't remember, but weren't we discussing his motivation earlier, and decided that this was unlikely?
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[personal profile] pauraque 2004-11-10 04:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe Dumbledore just wants the WHOLE THING kept out of the press

Well, the Ministry would *certainly* want it kept quiet. Look at the way they react post-GoF.

It also suggests that Lucius knew exactly what was happening and deliberately planted the diary on Ginny to annoy Arthur/destroy his career. I can't remember, but weren't we discussing his motivation earlier, and decided that this was unlikely?

Yeah. For one thing, how did he know Ginny would be there? How did he know she wouldn't notice the book and turn it in to the bookshop's lost & found? If that was his plan, it wasn't a very good one.

[identity profile] serriadh.livejournal.com 2004-11-11 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, but Lucius' plans aren't really that great, are they? Either he's trying to undermine Voldie's reign of terror (TM) from within or he's not quite the scary and all-powerful wizard we're led to believe.

Lucius: Give me that prophecy!
Harry: NO!
Lucius: umm...Bella - what do we do now?

[identity profile] strangemuses.livejournal.com 2004-11-10 12:45 pm (UTC)(link)
(Dumbledore takes care to note that the Weasleys are "pure-bloods." Why? The sentence makes just as much sense without it.)
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IMO, it is an important point that the Weasleys are a prominent "pure-blood" family. Had Riddle's scheme succeeded, Ginny (and the entire Weasley family) would have been implicated in a "Pure-blood vs. Muggle" murder scheme. Arthur Weasley champions Muggle causes. Being able to 'taint' the Weasleys with the same sort of anti-Muggle hatred would further Malfoy's DE agenda.

Arthur is regarded as being a bit "odd" in his love for Muggles. This oddness is probably excentuated by the fact that he is a Pure-blood. It would be nature for Muggleborns to retain a fondness for their Muggle roots, but not for a Pure-blood. Arthur and Lucius seem to have it in for each other. This would have been a terrific way to destroy Arthur's credibility in the wizard society. Poor Ginny was just a pawn.