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pauraque_bk ([personal profile] pauraque_bk) wrote2009-04-28 11:29 pm
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Did Molly really call Bellatrix a bitch in the last book? My hazy memory says yes, but any kind of rational thought process says no...

Not because I think it's inappropriate for YA -- quite the opposite -- it actually had an absurdly trivializing effect on the death of one of the main villains imo. I mean holy shit, Bellatrix was a crazy evil motherfucker, not a high-schooler with a snotty attitude.

Seriously. Who told JKR it was a good writing decision to make every character death lame and unaffecting? That's what really left a bad taste in my mouth after the series was over, way more than the epilogue. I can't remember most of the characters who died, even though some of them were characters I loved. The heartlessness of it made me stop caring.

I didn't think HBP was so great either, but there's stuff in it that I'm glad the fandom has. DH was just so pointlessly destructive. It felt like a bored and frustrated kid kicking over her own sandcastle.

Oh well. *goes back to writing*

[identity profile] scarah2.livejournal.com 2009-04-29 06:53 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, she did.

And not only that but she was all "NOT MY DAUGHTER, YOU BITCH"

I think I saw a Lifetime movie called that once.

[identity profile] tekalynn.livejournal.com 2009-04-29 06:55 am (UTC)(link)
I should not have been on the verge of sighing with relief at the deaths of Remus and Tonks. That was just wrong.

[identity profile] lilacsigil.livejournal.com 2009-04-29 06:55 am (UTC)(link)
That book really needed to go sit in the drawer for a year, then get a good, hard edit. It could have been good, but it was so obviously a first draft, and really killed my interest.

[identity profile] woolf.livejournal.com 2009-04-29 07:00 am (UTC)(link)
I believe Molly does.

I hated DH. So many of the characters deserved so much more than what they got. (Lupin, particularly.) I don't know. I got the feeling that by the end JKR was sick of fans & fandom and a lot of it was an attempt to get us all to shut up and leave her precious people alone. And probably to stop liking all the people she was convinced were so horrible.

[identity profile] arclevel.livejournal.com 2009-04-29 07:15 am (UTC)(link)
"Who told JKR it was a good writing decision to make every character death lame and unaffecting?"

What, you mean, "Oh, and btw, Lupin was dead, too"? You don't think that was a fitting end for a character who had a leading role in one book plus a key supporting role in a couple others, who who played a vital role in the life and family of our protagonist, and who was one of the most popular characters in the series? Surely, you must be joking! Of course that made sense!

That was bad, but I had fewer problems with that than the massive plot holes, the fact that the *title* plot seemed totally pointless, the randomly fluctuating characterization, the complete lack of pacing, the utter stupidity of the main villain, and so on. I don't really like HBP, either, but that's more personal preference regarding shipping (the amount and how they played out, less than who they were) and the fact that the Voldemort backstory was really dull and pointless.
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[identity profile] alabastard.livejournal.com 2009-04-29 09:09 am (UTC)(link)
Agreed, why did dobby get this big dramatic death and all the others be rushed and cliched afterthoughts... oh so many gripes with that book, but ah well, I didn't write it ;-)

[identity profile] thimble-kiss.livejournal.com 2009-04-29 09:34 am (UTC)(link)
Count me among the disenchanted, then. It was the combination of the heartless mentions-in-passing and the nagging suspicion that she'd picked out deaths for calculated shock effect (one half of a pair of extremely tight-knit twins, both parents of a small baby, and Hedwig, who arguably is the books' main symbol of magic and of Harry's belonging in that world). There seemed to be no sense in it other than a childish 'look how hardcore I'm being', and it left me feeling contrary and disgusted rather than willing to engage with any emotional impact she may have hoped for. (ETA: Fred dying because a wall fell on him due to a random blast from outside the castle. Mid-laugh, even, as if that adds pathos. I need to gripe about that in particular because it was my biggest WTF moment in the whole series. Which says something.)

Also, I feel that as a writer for children, she sold out with the ill-fitting epilogue that seemed to say that the romantic pairings were what mattered in the end. As long as they paired up according to plan and formed nice core families, all was well. When I think of the creativity in the books about midway through, that's such a shabby string to tie it all up with. :(
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[identity profile] amanuensis1.livejournal.com 2009-04-29 09:53 am (UTC)(link)
DH was a deal-breaker between the reader and the author when the previous six books had established the pattern that HP is a series about Harry and his colleagues at school.

[identity profile] mimine.livejournal.com 2009-04-29 12:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Everything about suddenly inexplicably!badass Molly was contrived and moronic. Bellatrix should have simply wiped the floor with the hausfrau.

Of all the deaths, Snape's character assassination (See his twu wuv for Lily as his only motivation) was what bothered me the most, way more than his actual death. That and the endless exposition near the end. It started well but it was not a good book.
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[identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com 2009-04-29 02:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, she did. But good for you trying to block it out. I think Molly'd been watching a lot of action movies.

But how can you say the deaths were unaffecting just because they felt like randomly crossing off names on a chalkboard? Didn't you miss the way that when someone died Harry felt like it was really, like, significant? Because death is totally...significant?

It's a thing that was with them like a presence!

[identity profile] aubrem.livejournal.com 2009-04-29 03:50 pm (UTC)(link)
bitch is a bit trivializing, I agree - it seems to me that the books are meant to be cartoonish though so I'm not sure more depth was really called for. I often think fandom gives the series more meaning than JKR ever intended it to have.

I have to say that I have no problem with Molly being the one to dispatch Bellatrix - she had been a member of the OotP from the beginning but more importantly, she had the will - the power of love, particularly a mother's love, being a major a theme of the book.