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pauraque_bk ([personal profile] pauraque_bk) wrote2004-02-18 06:21 pm

A bit of fic theory

I was thinking earlier about how in both of my primary fandoms, the most popular slash pairings are antagonistic, whereas the most popular het pairings are -- what do you call that? -- extended friendships. "Buddy" pairings. You've got Mulder/Scully and Harry/Hermione-Ron/Hermione for het, and Mulder/Krycek and Harry/Draco for slash.

In HP, the most obvious "buddy" slash pairing (Harry/Ron) is relatively neglected[1], and the biggest antagonistic het pairing (Snape/Hermione) is nowhere near as popular as its "buddy" counterparts. The primary antagonistic het pairing in XF is Krycek/Scully, something of a niche interest. It's hard to make a judgment about buddy slash pairings in XF, because there aren't any really obvious ones (unless you count Mulder/Skinner, which doesn't approach the popularity of Mulder/Krycek).

I can think of many examples and counter-examples from other fandoms, so I wouldn't say this is a meta-fandom trend, but might it say something about the tone of a specific fandom? Or its relative attitudes toward slash and het?


[1] Though, of course, the second most obvious buddy slash pairing (Sirius/Remus) is much more popular. There may be other issues in S/R that remove it a few steps from other HP slash pairings -- its association with H/G and R/Hr, and the tendency to feminize Remus.
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[personal profile] prillalar 2004-02-18 10:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I wouldn't say this is a meta-fandom trend, but might it say something about the tone of a specific fandom? Or its relative attitudes toward slash and het?

I think it's just more about the individual characters. People wrote M/K (or I guess they still do -- I'm just thinking about my time in the fandom) because they had a *lot* of sexual chemistry. Ditto M/Sk. (And I never thought that there was *that* great a difference in the popularity of those two pairings.) But so did Mulder and Scully. Because Mulder has chemistry with almost everyone he comes in contact with, including Lucy the gorilla in that ep with the zoo animals.

In HP, it's different, since we're talking about kids instead of adults, books instead of weekly TV episodes. Schoolboy rivalry like Harry and Draco's can be sparky and neither of them seem as entirely het as Ron does. (In one my spates of Ron/Draco badfic reading, I found this lovely bit in the obligatory scene where Ron tells Hermione and Harry about his affair: Hermione says, "I would never have expected this of you! Harry, maybe, but not you!" Which seems to sum it up. *g*)

I think there are less antagonistic het pairings because the protagonist is normally a man and his antagonist is normally his shadow self, and thus, another man. Male-female antagonistic relationships don't often exist in the same way. (I'm speaking of the source material here, not RL.) Outside of Buffy/Spike, what is there?

There's a pretty thriving lot of Hermione/Draco badfic, but I think it's normally softened and the enemies element bleached out a lot.

Hmm, maybe part of it is that Harry and Ron don't have an equal relationship. They're not Starsky and Hutch. Harry is the hero and Ron is the sidekick. They don't save each other; Harry saves them both.

K, getting too long and rambly now. :) Shutting up.
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[personal profile] pauraque 2004-02-19 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
People wrote M/K (or I guess they still do -- I'm just thinking about my time in the fandom) because they had a *lot* of sexual chemistry. Ditto M/Sk. (And I never thought that there was *that* great a difference in the popularity of those two pairings.)

As is always the case, there aren't hard numbers on the relative popularity of pairings. It's possible that I see M/Sk as being less popular because I don't care for it.

Schoolboy rivalry like Harry and Draco's can be sparky and neither of them seem as entirely het as Ron does.

It *is* hard to read Ron as queer, though I never really thought of characters' actual straightness as being an obstacle to slashers. It didn't stop me from slashing Ron (though it did give me pause), but maybe some of that comes from my own queerness -- I do tend to find straight guys appealing, maybe in the same "ooh, different!" way that female slashers find queer guys interesting.

I think there are less antagonistic het pairings because the protagonist is normally a man and his antagonist is normally his shadow self, and thus, another man.

Very good point. Above I mentioned Harry/Neville, which I enjoy as another kind of "shadow self" relationship, though not necessarily an antagonistic one.

Thanks for letting yourself ramble; your response was very interesting.
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[personal profile] prillalar 2004-02-19 07:28 am (UTC)(link)
It *is* hard to read Ron as queer, though I never really thought of characters' actual straightness as being an obstacle to slashers.

Yes, that's a good point. Hmm. And I have slashed Ron myself, though two times out of three, he was still definitely straight.

OK, maybe it's more the relationship, not just the matter of inequality that I mentioned before, but the complexity of the relationship. I love Ron with a surpassing love, but there really isn't anything about Harry and Ron's friendship that I find all that interesting. They're kids at school, they're mates, they have disagreements sometimes, and that seems to be about it, though I have hope that book six will show some growth in that area.

I'm going to have to think about this some more.