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pauraque_bk) wrote2004-07-15 12:01 am
pauraque_bk) wrote2004-07-15 12:01 am
Shaken, not stirred.
This is a question I haven't been able to answer satisfactorily for my own purposes, which is a bit embarrassing (and burdensome, as a writer), so I'd like to get some fresh opinions.
How could Dumbledore not know Peter was the spy?
Peter was in the Order; presumably he and Dumbledore had some interaction. Dumbledore is an expert Legilimens. Peter is very emotionally demonstrative -- he seems the last person who would be able to conceal such a secret.
Perhaps Peter was so underestimated that Dumbledore would never have thought he was a traitor, no matter how odd his behavior. Or maybe his behavior actually didn't seem odd: He's a nervous person, everyone knew that, and no one thought anything of elevated anxiety during wartime.
Is it possible that Peter was not afraid of the prospect of being found out, either because he placed such trust in Voldemort, or due to some other aspect of the circumstance?
Or might Peter have done such a good job at diverting suspicion onto Remus that it was never really questioned by those who were in the loop?
Whatever the case, it seems odd that Dumbledore wouldn't check everyone in the Order from time to time -- it appears that all he has to do to get a quick read on someone is to look into their eyes. This leads to the thought that something was hindering Dumbledore's ability to read Peter. Many have suggested that Voldemort taught Peter a few tricks, as it were -- could Occlumency be one of them? The Occlumency/Legilimency experts we know (Snape, Dumbledore, Voldemort), are all socially maladjusted in one way or another; Peter would make an interesting addition to this group.
Or might Voldemort have placed Peter under something like the Fidelius Charm, preventing him from revealing the secret?
This one is a bit of a stumper for me. All suggestions welcome.
How could Dumbledore not know Peter was the spy?
Peter was in the Order; presumably he and Dumbledore had some interaction. Dumbledore is an expert Legilimens. Peter is very emotionally demonstrative -- he seems the last person who would be able to conceal such a secret.
Perhaps Peter was so underestimated that Dumbledore would never have thought he was a traitor, no matter how odd his behavior. Or maybe his behavior actually didn't seem odd: He's a nervous person, everyone knew that, and no one thought anything of elevated anxiety during wartime.
Is it possible that Peter was not afraid of the prospect of being found out, either because he placed such trust in Voldemort, or due to some other aspect of the circumstance?
Or might Peter have done such a good job at diverting suspicion onto Remus that it was never really questioned by those who were in the loop?
Whatever the case, it seems odd that Dumbledore wouldn't check everyone in the Order from time to time -- it appears that all he has to do to get a quick read on someone is to look into their eyes. This leads to the thought that something was hindering Dumbledore's ability to read Peter. Many have suggested that Voldemort taught Peter a few tricks, as it were -- could Occlumency be one of them? The Occlumency/Legilimency experts we know (Snape, Dumbledore, Voldemort), are all socially maladjusted in one way or another; Peter would make an interesting addition to this group.
Or might Voldemort have placed Peter under something like the Fidelius Charm, preventing him from revealing the secret?
This one is a bit of a stumper for me. All suggestions welcome.
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But I found this: http://www.geocities.com/willowsevern/book5/kingsley5.html
'Well,' said Dumbledore, surveying her with polite interest over the top of his interlocked fingers, 'they certainly would be, if they had continued after the Decree came into effect. Do you have any evidence that any such meetings continued?'
As Dumbledore spoke, Harry heard a rustle behind him and rather thought Kingsley whispered something. He could have sworn, too, that he felt something brush against his side, a gentle something like a draught or bird wings, but looking down he saw nothing there.
Marietta was standing exactly where Umbridge had released her. She seemed neither perturbed by Umbridge's sudden attack, nor relieved by her release; she was still clutching her robe up to her oddly blank eyes and staring straight ahead of her.
A sudden suspicion, connected to Kingsley's whisper and the thing he had felt shoot past him, sprang into Harry's mind.
'Unfortunately, I had to hex Kingsley too, or it would have looked very suspicious,' said Dumbledore in a low voice. 'He was remarkably quick on the uptake, modifying Miss Edgecombe's memory like that while everyone was looking the other way - thank him, for me, won't you, Minerva?
I think that section rather neatly sums up the 'good' side, for me, anyway...
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So one for the many. Perhaps it was unethical. But there you go. O_o
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The problem I have with the 'good' side in HP is their willingness to do whatever it takes - 'the ends justify the means' seems to be their motto.
Perhaps it was unethical.
Perhaps? Really? Wow, different strokes for different strokes! To me, there's no perhaps about it!
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At this point I'm hoping that both sides implode through their own hypocrisy, leaving Stan Shunpike to forge a brave new world...
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i think that's the most morally sound hp political theory i've ever heard. >:}
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And if both sides implode, he can be The Omega Man! (he was in his bus at the time, and conveniently missed all the fuss ;)
He can talk to the Wizarding Chess boards, and wreck the bus (there's never an Auror around when you need one!)
Now somebody remove my keyboard from my hands before I write this...
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But you've got to leave whatshisname -Ernie Prang- along too. And if you go by the movies, you get the cool head on the dashboard as an added bonus :D
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I'll start:
Psshaw, the Voodoo!Head is liek so fanon!
Only a total n00b would ship that!
I was a Stan fangirl back in the days before the internet, and we had to walk three miles in the snow every day - barefoot! - to share our fanzines!
You guys just like him because of the actor playing him! Listen lady, I was delving into Knightbus!Angst and literary analysis of Stan before Lee Ingleby (and yes, I had to look that up on the IMDB ;) was even born!
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Erns & VooDoO!Head r liek so totalee cool - get dat into ur head!
U think ur so grate w/ ur attitude. & ur typing & ur long dramatik storis! But u no, (or u probabli dunt cauz ur suuuch a n00b!) I wuz liek a NiteBus luver wen teh book 1st came out!!!1!!1! Which is liek, 4eva! So lay off, cauz im not teh n00b here!
(I suck at this don't I? :D)
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*eyes shift suspiciously* Livejournal is obviously a loser Ernie/Stan shipper and is plotting against me...