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eponis suggested that what happened eleven years ago was that Dumbledore became Headmaster, there was an interesting exchange about Dumbledore and McGonagall's relationship, and one about Petunia and Vernon's. Also,
theatresm caught McGonagall's use of the word "noble" as a possible alchemical reference. Woo!
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idlerat comes to mind), but I've never seen it as strongly as here.
There are several references in this chapter to Dudley's love of the computer, encouraged by his parents (among his birthday gifts are "the new computer he wanted" and "sixteen new computer games"). Knowing now that JKR wasn't very into computers herself until recently, I think we can take this as another intended sign of his overindulgence.
(If, when I first came to this fandom, you'd told me that one day I'd be using the phrase "Snape's infamous underpants" in a serious analytical context, I doubt I'd have believed you.)
But that aside, I actually liked this chapter a lot. The characters aren't as exaggerated as I think they are at the beginnings of CoS and PoA.
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Nearly ten years had passed since the Dursleys had woken up to find their nephew on the front step, but Privet Drive had hardly changed at all. The sun rose on the same tidy front gardens and lit up the brass number four on the Dursleys' front door; it crept into their living-room, which was almost exactly the same as it had been on the night when Mr Dursley had seen that fateful news report about the owls. Only the photographs on the mantelpiece really showed how much time had passed [...] now the photographs showed a large, blond boy riding his first bicycle, on a roundabout at the fair, playing a computer game with his father, being hugged and kissed by his mother. The room held no sign at all that another boy lived in the house, too. (19)I was struck by how cinematic her description is here. You can see the camera panning over the garden, past the gleaming house number, into the living room and past the telling photos on the mantel... Others have noted this tendency in her writing (
There are several references in this chapter to Dudley's love of the computer, encouraged by his parents (among his birthday gifts are "the new computer he wanted" and "sixteen new computer games"). Knowing now that JKR wasn't very into computers herself until recently, I think we can take this as another intended sign of his overindulgence.
Perhaps it had something to do with living in a dark cupboard, but Harry had always been small and skinny for his age. (20)Compare:
Snape-the-teenager had a stringy, pallid look about him, like a plant kept in the dark. (564 OotP UK)There's also Harry's handed-down clothes, and Snape's infamous underpants.
(If, when I first came to this fandom, you'd told me that one day I'd be using the phrase "Snape's infamous underpants" in a serious analytical context, I doubt I'd have believed you.)
The only thing Harry liked about his own appearance was a very thin scar on his forehead which was shaped like a bolt of lightning. (20)We aren't told specifically why he likes it, but the implication seems to be that he values the connection to his parents (Petunia tells him he got it in the car crash when they died). He comes to despise it later on, of course.
Dudley thought for a moment. It looked like hard work. Finally he said slowly, 'So I'll have thirty ... thirty ...'First indication that Dudley is stupid, as well as mean and spoiled. We also find out in GoF that he doesn't get very good grades, but I always think of Dudley as being clever, actually... he's certainly good at manipulating his parents (even while taking a subtle jab at them, as in CoS). I think he's smart in the same way as Draco; in a way that doesn't really transfer to schoolwork.
'Thirty-nine, sweetums,' said Aunt Petunia. (21)
'Bad news, Vernon,' she said. 'Mrs Figg's broken her leg. She can't take him.' She jerked her head in Harry's direction. (21)Knowing what we know now, my thought is to question whether she really broke her leg, but I'm not sure what she/Dumbledore would hope to accomplish by having Harry go out somewhere. Give him a bigger chance to prove his magical ability, maybe...
'We could phone Marge,' Uncle Vernon suggested.I thought this was odd for a moment -- why would they worry about sending him to someone who hates him? But actually, this is consistent with what we see in PoA: they're very eager to please Marge.
'Don't be silly, Vernon, she hates the boy.' (22)
Piers was a scrawny boy with a face like a rat. He was usually the one who held people's arms behind their backs while Dudley hit them. (22-23)Reminds me of another rat who made a habit of egging on bullies. (JKR doesn't like rats very much, does she?)
'I had a dream about a motorbike,' said Harry, remembering suddenly. 'It was flying.'See, this is what I'm talking about. Ten years ago, he didn't have this kind of exaggerated reaction, even to much more extraordinary things. This is the state he's in after ten years of Harry growing his hair back overnight, magically appearing on top of the school building, and so on (23). If I were him, I don't think I'd be very comforted by the fact that Harry isn't aware he's doing magic -- isn't it even more frightening if it's uncontrolled?
Uncle Vernon nearly crashed into the car in front. He turned right around in his seat and yelled at Harry, his face like a gigantic beetroot with a moustache, 'MOTORBIKES DON'T FLY!' (24)
They ate in the zoo restaurant and when Dudley had a tantrum because his knickerbocker glory wasn't big enough, Uncle Vernon bought him another one and Harry was allowed to finish the first. (24-25)What's a knickerbocker glory?
The snake suddenly opened its beady eyes. Slowly, very slowly, it raised its head until its eyes were on a level with Harry's.Which is rather more extraordinary than JKR intends, as snakes don't have eyelids.
It winked. (25)
As the snake slid swiftly past him, Harry could have sworn a low, hissing voice said, 'Brazil, here I come ... Thanksss, amigo.' (26)Don't ask me why/how a snake who's never *been* to Brazil would drop a word of Portuguese into an utterance in Parseltongue. I will note, however, that snakes can't hear. (JKR, who generally does good research, is oh for three where snakes are concerned... she also has the Basilisk's shed skin as being bright green.)
But that aside, I actually liked this chapter a lot. The characters aren't as exaggerated as I think they are at the beginnings of CoS and PoA.
Past re-read posts will be saved in memories here.
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Date: 2005-01-03 10:24 pm (UTC)Although to pick a nit (or perhaps since we're talking snakes, I should say a mite?) it's specifically airborne sounds snakes can't hear; they can detect vibrations through solid surfaces. Which still leaves out Parseltongue.
I rather like the Dudley-as-clever idea. Playing dumb gets him more of what he wants without raising any tedious expectations, after all...
Dammit. Now I've got visions of hacker!Dudley.
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Date: 2005-01-03 10:24 pm (UTC)Hope that helps :)
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Date: 2005-01-03 10:36 pm (UTC)That so deserves to be an interest.
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Date: 2005-01-03 10:58 pm (UTC)Knickerbocker? I hardly know her!
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Date: 2005-01-03 11:14 pm (UTC)That's what I don't get with the Dursleys. Come on, keeping a wizard in a cupboard, calling him freak, etc. You're basically setting yourself up for revenge when the boy reaches 17. If a wizard was dumped on my doorstep, even the son of the sister I hate, I would make damn sure that the kid has no complaints growing up. Not to say I would spoil him the way they spoil Dudley, but at the very least, I would treat both boys the same. And after those displays of kid magic, I would happily send the boy off to wizard school to learn to control himself.
The Dursleys aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer, and they've absolutely no long-term vision.
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Date: 2005-01-03 11:46 pm (UTC)From OotP: during one of the Occlumency lessons, Snape becomes more than a little interested at Harry's memory of being chased up a tree by Ripper. (Ripper, right?) Nice parallel with Snape and Fluffy and/or young Snape and were!Remus (assuming he got close enough before James yanked him back). Perhaps Snape might have thawed just a bit after that lesson (until Harry snooped)....
I love those little asides. I've always thought Dudley might have some kind of dull cunning, rather than outright smarts.
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Date: 2005-01-04 03:06 am (UTC)Snape might have already been "thawing"; he did compliment Harry (in a round-about-way, but still a compliment) at least twice during the Occlumency lessons. He probably was, as you say, seeing a bit of a parallel between his younger self and Harry. Even if he would never have admitted it.
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Date: 2005-01-04 12:57 am (UTC)Its a fact that JK Rowling was barely surviving on an unemployment benefit in Edinburgh when she wrote this, in a grungy housing estate that would have been perfectly at home in 'Trainspotting.' Very much an outsider's jaundiced viewpoint, here, I think.
a very thin scar on his forehead which was shaped like a bolt of lightning.
There's an account in the 'Biography' section of the Official Site where JK Rowling tells how she threw a *battery* at her dark-haired little sister, in a fit of rage, and it left a scar and she was plagued with guilt forever afterwards ...or maybe she's just a Bowie freak...:)
It winked
That's one of my favourite lines in the whole series, I have to confess..
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Date: 2005-01-04 03:05 am (UTC)I hope that's going to appear in a future filk. ;)
I wonder if it's a possibility that Dudley is truly bad at math (I still have to tap out numbers on my fingertips, I'm pretty crap at math), but he does have the mental cunning.
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Date: 2005-01-04 06:55 pm (UTC)You can almost hear the Gilbert & Sullivan, can't you?
Anyone out there with talent want to rise to the challenge?
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Date: 2005-01-04 09:30 pm (UTC)We'll type all day and night through tendonitis and finger calluses,
Pondering the characters and and waxing pedagogical
On JKR's vast ignorance of things herpetological.
We'll find symbolic alchemy and tease out the foreshadowing;
A rosy view of Dumbledore will surely take a battering;
We all know
Would find the textual evidence of the Dursley family tragedy!
CHORUS: Would find the textual evidence of the Dursley family tragedy, etc...
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Date: 2005-01-04 03:05 am (UTC)This, I think, seems to be basically the first indication of what seems to run throughought the rest of the book - a wizards' hair has its own idea of how it should be. (see: Snape.)
Also, why a Snake that is already speaking in Parseltongue would have particular emphasis on the s.
I've always wondered about that. Do you think they Apparate away, or is JKR just trying to make them seem mysterious?
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Date: 2005-01-04 04:01 am (UTC)The scary bit about this is that at one time, she did live in Portugal.
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Date: 2005-01-04 04:30 am (UTC)Am too rushed right now to do a proper appreciation, but re-reading the first chapters made me think of some questions that have been puzzling me, and I wonder if anyone (particularly from UK who can explain local class and economic issues) has any insight:
1. I'm trying to get a fix on the Dursleys socially and economically. Vernon went to a public school (my American edition insists on saying "private school") but apparently a minor one, so he's not entirely self-made, he's middle-class from a middle-class background. The movie had them living in suburban tract housing, but this seems implausible if Vernon is "director" of a major company. (Or is "director" in UK usage something as potentially generic-middle-management as "VP" in US?) To me, it sounds like a fairly senior, and presumably well-compensated executive position -- so I'd expect a substantial brick villa with plenty of property in a nice green suburb. Am I wrong?
2. How old are the Dursleys? If Lily and James were killed at 21, her sister Petunia would be, maybe, early 20's? Petunia was close enough in age to Lily to be living at home and going to school through at least some of Lily's time at Hogwarts. So Vernon probably isn't all that much older. And yet -- director. So is Vernon professionally high-powered and competent after all?
3. And if he is, why is he living in the same house 10 years later? Wouldn't a fast-track executive be doing considerably better, financially, at 35 than at 25? Perhaps he's been baffled and frustrated in his career after a promising start . . .
4. Interesting mix of archetypes invoked by the Dursleys. On the one hand, they are conventional for convention's sake. You can sort of channel your inner Republican and understand their hostility to wizardry -- typical no-accounts who won't follow life's simple rules and whine when they end up frustrated and failing -- shun them as object lessons and potential parasites. And JKR could have set up an interesting story about the world of imagination vs. the world of "normalcy."
But that's not enough for her. Rather than showing a tragic sort of tension, she needs to make the Dursleys' evil across the board -- not just conventional, but also vicious, abusive, hypocritical, envious, all kinds of bad stuff that is not necessarily connected. And still on top of that, she piles on the Cinderella archetype, leaving Harry vulnerable to people who don't really care for him because he's not theirs.
So there's three levels of villainy in the Dursleys. It works -- it pushes all the buttons wonderfully -- but I wonder if this temptation to pile on archetypes this way doesn't make JKR's characterization suffer when, here and there, she tries to base some of her effects on psychological realism. Perhaps less would be more, here.
Out of time for now, will probably come back for seconds, but I'd be fascinated to hear what anyone else thinks on these issues.
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Date: 2005-01-04 04:53 am (UTC)How this affects the Dursleys: they are the British equivalent to the strict, hardworking (tense, unemotional C of E rather than wholesome God-fearing Protestant, but you get the picture) upper middle class American. Or rather, the American version is the closest approximation to the British, because, of course, the books are British... They are villainous to Harry, but the idea is that they really could be any family in any of those identical houses that are EVERYWHERE in that conformist society. The psychological angle is what shifts them into the red, as it were - it's not just that they fear what's different from them (though they do) it's also Petunia's very personal anger toward her sister, her resentment and dread of her sister's child, and the rest of the family reacting to that.
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Date: 2005-01-04 09:44 pm (UTC)Moving could be dangerous. Maybe the letter from Dumbledore says they can't?
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Date: 2005-01-04 05:35 am (UTC)Wow... I had this exact same thought when reading this chapter last night, and reached about the same conclusion. It could be that Dumbledore stopped keeping an eye on Harry (if he ever was), as soon as it became apparent Voldemort wasn't returning any time soon. With Harry now nearing the age he would start at Hogwarts, some verification of his magical ability might have been needed. His name may have been on the Hogwarts lists from birth, but wizarding parents do, occasionally, give birth to Squibs; or (and perhaps more likely, given the prophecy), Harry's magic could have been affected by Voldemort's failed curse.
Perhaps it was Mrs. Figg who hinted to Dumbledore that, if Harry was forced to spend a whole day in public with his relatives, something was bound to happen.
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Date: 2005-01-04 04:37 pm (UTC)It's a good thing no one is in because that made me laugh like a loon.
I think that Dudley has a type of intelligence but it's not the sort of intelligence that would make him score highly on exams. Exam scores only show acedemic intelligence - for those who have a different type, it's all too easy to assume they are stupid.
Mrs Figg has really broken her leg - Dudley knocks her over on her crutches using his bike.
JKR probably doesn't like rats very much (most people don't) but I think it's less about her disliking them as creatures and more about the traditional symbolism of the rat. Rats are cunning and clever but they are also cheats and untrustworthy, as well as having an assosiation with spreading disease and death. JKR is pretty good with symbolism. Having rat references often makes the reader automatically dislike a character.
I think since the basilisk is a magical snake, we can make allowances for the colour of it's shed skin. (I meant to say this at the time but I was in the library as I recall and was rushing) As for the winking snake, that probably isn't something I can make an excuse for although I'm sure if you give me enough time, I can make up some sort of excuse ... But you're wrong about snakes being unable to hear - they just don't hear like humans. They feel the vibrations of sound through the ground which is why you shouldn't scream if you meet a dangerous one - you might upset it. We don't know exactly how much they can hear so considering this is a magical world, I think it isn't unfesiable that the sounds that they feel through the ground can be made into translateable words.
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