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Two icons today. I was already working on nautical terminology when [livejournal.com profile] darkkitten1 asked for "sailor", so I thought I'd go ahead and post it with "Schadenfreude".

At the request of [livejournal.com profile] caesia390:

weí júuálaor anngeu "Schadenfreude"

X-SAMPA: [wE_(drop)i juUal{O_(drop)r\ {nNEU_(drop) ]

"Schadenfreude" is a German word meaning "shameful joy" -- that is, pleasure taken in the misfortune of others.

weí

Pleasure. The written character is a pictogram of a person with upraised arms. The short double lines usually indicate a bright object in Amíu writing, and are used metaphorically here.

júuálaor

júu Pain. Originally a pictogram of a person with their head down.

-ál Third person posessive marker. The written form is a variation on the ordinary third person marker.

-aor Second person present marker. So júuál is in the second person.

anngeu

This is the verb.

a- Restrictive relative clause marker.

n- Second person actor marker. The actor (subject) of this verb must therefore be júuálaor.

nge To give (nondeliberate).

-0 (that is to say, nothing at all -- a zero morph). Marks a first person target (indirect object). Though nothing is pronounced at this point, the first person character is still included in the written form. Amíu doesn't have all that many "silent letters", but this is one.

-u Object-head relative clause marker. This must refer to the only noun left: weí.

So. The whole phrase is "pleasure which his pain gives to me".

pleasure   pain.3pos.2   REL.2.give.1.OBJ-HEAD

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And, at the request of [livejournal.com profile] darkkitten1:

mréalyn "sailor"

X-SAMPA: [ mr\e{ly_(drop)n ]

This is a simple derivation from réal "sailboat". The character "person" indicates the noun circumfix m-yn "one who uses ___".

The Lúen are rather more into sailing than psychology, so [livejournal.com profile] darkkitten1's request was much easier and simpler to express than [livejournal.com profile] caesia390's. :)

Next up is "philologist" for [livejournal.com profile] darthfox. As always, requests for icons, explanations, or just to see something written, will be honored.

Date: 2004-02-12 04:54 pm (UTC)
ext_22299: (remus)
From: [identity profile] wishwords.livejournal.com
I would be interested in seeing part of my nick written - Ruh, which translates as spirit/psyche/id.

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Date: 2004-02-13 01:28 am (UTC)
pauraque: bird flying (Default)
From: [personal profile] pauraque
Got it. What language is that? I seem to remember you making a post about it, but I can't recall it now.

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Date: 2004-02-13 07:16 am (UTC)
ext_22299: (Default)
From: [identity profile] wishwords.livejournal.com
Turkish. Not nearly as interesting as a developed language nor as lovely written.

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Date: 2004-02-13 03:31 pm (UTC)
pauraque: bird flying (work)
From: [personal profile] pauraque
Ah, that was what I thought. I don't know if you know this, but the reason Turkish isn't very interesting is that it was forcibly regularized. I can't remember the details off the top of my head, but they had a ruler who thought the language was too illogical, and imposed an "official dialect" that got rid of most irregularities.

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Date: 2004-02-13 03:37 pm (UTC)
ext_22299: (Default)
From: [identity profile] wishwords.livejournal.com
Ah, Kemal Ataturk (which means Father of the Turks btw) back in the '20s I believe. He hired a frenchman to standardize the language and change the written form from Arabic to Western. It's really, really easy to learn as a result. What you see is what you say, one sound for every letter and one letter for every sound. Sentence structure based on French, I think. He also outlawed wear of that funky red felt hat whose name I can't think of. He's hailed as the man who brought Turkey into the 20th century. Too bad they don't have another one like him at the moment.

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Date: 2004-02-13 03:56 pm (UTC)
pauraque: bird flying (Default)
From: [personal profile] pauraque
Yep, that's about what I heard. The relative difficulty of learning to read/write a language usually has to do with how recently it was regularized. Written Spanish, for example, was also regularized in recent history, so it's easy. Written French hasn't been regularized since the middle ages!

That hat is called a fez, I believe.

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Date: 2004-02-13 04:06 pm (UTC)
ext_22299: (Default)
From: [identity profile] wishwords.livejournal.com
That's it. I hate brain farts.

Date: 2004-02-12 05:01 pm (UTC)
ext_1611: Isis statue (naked)
From: [identity profile] isiscolo.livejournal.com
Ooh, the sailboat word looks like a sailboat!

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Date: 2004-02-13 01:29 am (UTC)
pauraque: bird flying (Default)
From: [personal profile] pauraque
Whoo! Finally, a pictogram that works without my having to explain what it is. :D

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Date: 2004-02-13 03:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darkkitten1.livejournal.com
Nope! *grins*

Date: 2004-02-12 07:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lolaraincoat.livejournal.com
Sailor is especially lovely. Okay, so, um, if you have some time and you feel like it, here's an oceanic scrap of verse:

Nothing of him that doth fade
but doth suffer a sea-change
into something rich and strange

Wait, that's probably too much, huh? Well, either "sea-change" or "rich and strange" might be interesting. But I hate to ask because I keep bugging you for these. So you know, if you run out of other ones to work on and you want some, here it is.

You are so cool!

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Date: 2004-02-13 01:35 am (UTC)
pauraque: bird flying (Default)
From: [personal profile] pauraque
Ooh, love that poem. I'll work on it.

You are so cool!

Aw, thanks. You're cool too. :D

Date: 2004-02-13 03:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asphodeline.livejournal.com
when you get that time turner and find some extra hours, could you have a think about
"tree spirit/friend" ? would htis work?

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Date: 2004-02-13 03:32 pm (UTC)
pauraque: bird flying (Default)
From: [personal profile] pauraque
Sure, but is that the friend of a tree, or a tree who's a friend?

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Date: 2004-02-13 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asphodeline.livejournal.com
*hugs trees* friend of a tree

Date: 2004-02-13 10:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whimemsz.livejournal.com
Eo, have you ever posted anything about this language or the script on the ZBB? If not, you absolutely must. It's genious.

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Date: 2004-02-13 03:33 pm (UTC)
pauraque: bird flying (Default)
From: [personal profile] pauraque
Thank you! I think I may have posted something about it a while back, but it's been a long time. Maybe I could crosspost these to the ZBB as I do them.

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Date: 2004-02-13 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sedesdraconis.livejournal.com
Speaking of which, remember I'd love to have a submission for the ConScript Directory sometime. When you get around to it.

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Date: 2004-02-13 03:53 pm (UTC)
pauraque: bird flying (Default)
From: [personal profile] pauraque
I haven't forgotten. I've started getting all the characters into one place, since a lot of the language is scattered through notebooks and such. Soon I should have an idea of how much I've actually got.

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Date: 2004-02-13 04:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whimemsz.livejournal.com
You really should. This is a great, GREAT conlang. Everyone on the Board deserves to see it!

Date: 2004-02-13 12:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caesia390.livejournal.com
so darkkitten1's request was much easier and simpler to express than caesia390's. :)

i live to complicate things. >:}

...THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!! <3X1000!!!!!

WAH HA HA HA HAAAHHHH!!!!!! so gorgeous!!!!! i love the pleasure pictogram especially. it makes me so happy. ^_^

...so i take it that person can be sort of a marker in itself... a way to tie giving to pain to say you (the pain) give = the pain gives, sort of the way other language use gender....

oooh i feel like i'm actually understanding it!!!

the boat one is also adorable. i can definitely see the sailboat; it's very elegant.

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Date: 2004-02-13 03:49 pm (UTC)
pauraque: bird flying (Default)
From: [personal profile] pauraque
You're most welcome!

...so i take it that person can be sort of a marker in itself... a way to tie giving to pain to say you (the pain) give = the pain gives, sort of the way other language use gender....

Yes, exactly. It takes on a lot of the functional load borne by gender in languages that have it.

Date: 2004-02-13 03:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darkkitten1.livejournal.com
squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! It looks like a sailboat!

Thank you ever so much. It's beautiful and elegant; it looks like it is on water. I love that it was simple, person plus sailboat. You were doing nautical terms? Would love to see any material you do for yourself on Amiu sailing etc.

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Date: 2004-02-13 03:51 pm (UTC)
pauraque: bird flying (Default)
From: [personal profile] pauraque
You're very welcome. And sure, I can post about nautical stuff. I'm a landlubber myself, so I had to get a book about sailing to work it all out.

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