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This put me in mind of a discussion
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We agreed that JKR can write whatever she wants; no one could possibly stop her. We also discussed the precedent of gay characters in children's/young adult literature. Kel brought up Annie On My Mind, one of the very first YA novels about gay characters.
I've read Annie On My Mind, and it was pretty frank for the age-bracket it was aimed at. With that as a standard of what's acceptable, allowing Remus Lupin to be gay as a small part of an epic series seems like something that should be taken in stride.
Yet, it doesn't feel like it would be taken that way, at least not to me. We talked about the fact that Annie On My Mind is not just a novel with gay characters, it's a gay novel. You'd know that as soon as you read the back cover. It's in its right place on the Gay Interest shelf, where it's easy to avoid if you don't like it.
But mentioning at this point in the HP series that Remus is gay -- that's quite different. It tells us that he's a human being first, a teacher, a wizard, an expert on dark creatures, a person who makes mistakes -- all these things first, and then he also happens to be gay. It tells us that being gay isn't the end-all-be-all of someone's personality and life experience. It tells us that there isn't a great divide in the world with all the gay people conveniently Over There on their proper shelf where you don't have to see them (separate but equal).
And that's what I think would cause the controversy if JKR did decide to tell us Remus is queer. Even if it was only a passing, minor point -- perhaps especially if it was a minor point -- the message that being gay simply isn't anything to get worked up about is something I think a lot of people would have a huge problem with in a very mainstream YA series.
Any thoughts?
On a totally different note: If you, like so many of us, are possessed by an unexpected love for movie!Remus, go here to add 'lupin's cardigan' to your interest list.
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Date: 2004-06-22 01:58 pm (UTC)To bring up the "fact" that Lupin (or Sirius, or Pettigrew, or anyone else) is gay would be purely an afterthought
The idea of JKR stating that Pettigrew is gay struck me as viscerally alarming, and I had to pause and examine my reaction to figure out why. Of course, my Peter *is* gay; the notion certainly doesn't disturb me in fic. However, in canon, singling out a character who's consistently portrayed as criminal, immoral, and loathsome, and then saying he's also gay -- no. That's scary and uncomfortable for me. I would feel the same way if, say, it was suggested in canon that Umbridge was a lesbian.
This may not be entirely logical on my part. Of course, all sorts of people are gay, and it has nothing to do with any other personality trait -- that was exactly my point in my original post. But there's also a historical trend in film and literature to make villains gay, or code them as gay (cf The Celluloid Closet), and the idea of JKR outing Pettigrew slams that button hard, to me.
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Date: 2004-06-22 02:13 pm (UTC)And, like you, I'd be upset by a canonically gay Pettigrew (and, at this point, a canonically gay Draco), for all the same reasons. I think it's dangerous in this social and political climate to portray a villianous or otherwise weak character as also being gay, especially if that character is the *only* gay character. Kids pick up more about society and social mores from literature than we give them credit for.
Umbridge....I would be equally upset if she were a lesbian....but there are other things about her and what befalls her that I wonder about the portrayal of. She's wicked, yes, downright morally blank (of all the evil characters we've encountered, even Bellatrix Lestrange does not exude the utter absence of morality that Umbridge does - she's a candidate for a serial killer profile). But what Hermione does to her, and what we can safely assume happened to her in the Forbidden Forest amongst the centaurs....is that justified?
Different thread, obviously.....
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Date: 2004-06-22 03:18 pm (UTC)This is a good point, and I understand why a lot of people don't like to see him as allegorically queer for these reasons. But it somehow doesn't read like queer-is-scary to me -- I end up separating the fantasy/plotty elements from the allegorical/emotional ones, if that makes any sense.
The "what is Remus an allegory of" question is certainly up for debate, and people have all kinds of answers. I've heard it argued that Remus is allegorically female, which is truly bizarre to me, and bordering on offensive.
But what Hermione does to her, and what we can safely assume happened to her in the Forbidden Forest amongst the centaurs....
You're right that this probably is another thread, but yeah. The centaur thing was intense -- it's such a dangerous, sexualized moment, like dark old fairy tales before they're cleaned up for Disney.
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Date: 2004-06-22 05:15 pm (UTC)I can see how that allegory is reached at - again, looking at the moon (which is used as another mythological construct for womanhood - monthly cycles, etc), and at the possible allegorical use of lycanthropy in literature in general. But it doesn't work for me, either, and I agree about the borderline offensiveness of it.
The centaur thing was intense -- it's such a dangerous, sexualized moment, like dark old fairy tales before they're cleaned up for Disney.
Exactly. It's the cleaning up (which WILL happen when this comes to film) that I actually dislike, even though I understand it from some angles. Some Disney films, to use concrete examples, hardly shy away from the darker, more sexualized side of the issues presented - The Hunchback of Notre Dame comes to mind, as does Sleeping Beauty - and I've felt uncomfortable watching these films with children in the room, especially Hunchback. I have a hard time with the idea that small children (I'm talking under 11) have read OotP. Just because they won't necessarily read into it what we have, doesn't mean they aren't picking up on it on some level. And that seques into yet *another* thread, so I'll stop there. ;-)
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