I don't agree that he has tried this. When he's "talked" to Snape in the past, he's basically just mouthed off. There's no acknowledgment that Snape has an issue with him, that needs dealing with.
PoA, p. 209: "My dad didn't strut...And nor do I."
That's basically part of the main issue right there, isn't it? "You have a perception of my father and I that I don't agree with." (Whoever had the more correct perception is, IMO, irrelevant, but it was something that needed to be addressed.) And yet it was an example of insolence, of mouthing off, possibly because (again, surprises, surprises), it wasn't addressed in nearly mature enough a way...but was then shafted by discussion of the Prank, and then the Map.
Of course, Harry wasn't exactly speaking up to explain anything, but what he said was something he clearly felt was worth trying to get through to Snape (at least, I'm assuming so, as he said it "before he could stop himself".)
PoA, p. 265: "YOU'RE PATHETIC! JUST BECAUSE THEY MADE A FOOL OF YOU AT SCHOOL YOU WON'T EVEN LISTEN--"
Again, insolence and mouthing off. Again, a core issue is being addressed. Though admittedly, the issue being addressed probably isn't between Harry and Snape, but rather between Snape and the other Marauders, it could be taken the same way, I think. Sirius and Lupin aren't the only ones that Snape isn't listening to in this scene. Circumstances are a little more critical here. Harry wasn't exactly given much choice of whether or not he wanted to get his viewpoint across to Snape -- he had to, this time, or Sirius would go to the Dementors -- but that's basically what he was doing here, which Snape was again brushing aside, and yes, again things disintegrated into chaos.
These are the two instances of Harry's direct insolence to Snape that stick out most clearly in my mind (pre-GoF, anyway), and both times a key issue was being addressed, that nevertheless didn't change either the insolent tone of the interaction, nor the final outcome. Both examples did nothing to advance the situation between them, partly because Harry refuses to take into serious consideration the points Snape does raise (ie, the Prank), partly because Snape either brushes Harry aside (ie, from example A) or flies off the handle once the whole thing is addressed (Example B). Neither of these examples come close to a rational discussion about differences of opinion, and both tend to diverge from the main point, but I still think said main point is in there somewhere.
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Date: 2006-01-19 09:31 pm (UTC)I don't agree that he has tried this. When he's "talked" to Snape in the past, he's basically just mouthed off. There's no acknowledgment that Snape has an issue with him, that needs dealing with.
PoA, p. 209: "My dad didn't strut...And nor do I."
That's basically part of the main issue right there, isn't it? "You have a perception of my father and I that I don't agree with." (Whoever had the more correct perception is, IMO, irrelevant, but it was something that needed to be addressed.) And yet it was an example of insolence, of mouthing off, possibly because (again, surprises, surprises), it wasn't addressed in nearly mature enough a way...but was then shafted by discussion of the Prank, and then the Map.
Of course, Harry wasn't exactly speaking up to explain anything, but what he said was something he clearly felt was worth trying to get through to Snape (at least, I'm assuming so, as he said it "before he could stop himself".)
PoA, p. 265: "YOU'RE PATHETIC! JUST BECAUSE THEY MADE A FOOL OF YOU AT SCHOOL YOU WON'T EVEN LISTEN--"
Again, insolence and mouthing off. Again, a core issue is being addressed. Though admittedly, the issue being addressed probably isn't between Harry and Snape, but rather between Snape and the other Marauders, it could be taken the same way, I think. Sirius and Lupin aren't the only ones that Snape isn't listening to in this scene. Circumstances are a little more critical here. Harry wasn't exactly given much choice of whether or not he wanted to get his viewpoint across to Snape -- he had to, this time, or Sirius would go to the Dementors -- but that's basically what he was doing here, which Snape was again brushing aside, and yes, again things disintegrated into chaos.
These are the two instances of Harry's direct insolence to Snape that stick out most clearly in my mind (pre-GoF, anyway), and both times a key issue was being addressed, that nevertheless didn't change either the insolent tone of the interaction, nor the final outcome. Both examples did nothing to advance the situation between them, partly because Harry refuses to take into serious consideration the points Snape does raise (ie, the Prank), partly because Snape either brushes Harry aside (ie, from example A) or flies off the handle once the whole thing is addressed (Example B). Neither of these examples come close to a rational discussion about differences of opinion, and both tend to diverge from the main point, but I still think said main point is in there somewhere.
God, this is so long...