hp and the ender's game series

From an AIM conversation between a friend and me.

Her: I'm re-reading the Ender's Game series right now, and I find it's really interesting to compare the style of teacher-involvement at Hogwarts versus that at Ender's Battle School

Me: oh, that would be an interesting comparison. I should re-read it too.

Her: In Ender, the teachers have a non-interference policy, but they set Ender up for failure, and deliberately hide the consequences of his actions. Hogwarts teachers seem to have an unwritten, similar, code. They really don't interfere that often, they are by no means honest with their students, yet each teacher seems allowed to develop their own policy, such as treat-this-house-like-crap-and-treat-that-house-wonderfully. Yet nothing is done to stop/prevent it. Dumbledore seems as devious and almost evil as the Colonel in charge of Battle School. He's another one that interests me, actually. Dumbledore. In part because the 'good guys' all revere him and believe him to be so great, but he's consistantly shown himself to be quite fallible and anything but perfect with perfect judgement. In both universes, the people in charge of the children seem to be almost winging it

Me: you are dead right. Dumbledore is frickin' scary.
Me: and it really is a good parallel. in both cases, they're setting up a child to be a hero, without caring what it does to his psyche.

Her: Frankly, I have no clue what Dumbledore's done that makes him so great, other than getting rid of what's-his-face (you know who I mean, I'm just blanking on names today). Sure, he gives people a third, and fourth, and fifth chance which makes him seem compassionate. But compassion is not greatness.
Harry's going to grow up to be as fucked up as Ender, if not more so.
Her: At least Ender got 3000 years to get it right

Me: Grindelwald. and yes, Harry's going to be fucked up. I think Snape knows that, and it's part of what makes him so fucking frustrated.
Me: not because he cares about Harry as a person, but because he's afraid they're going to have another Voldemort on their hands.

Her: Ender's wife, in the later books, Novinha and Harry are a lot alike, in some ways. For both, everyone they love/care about ends up dead and they hold themselves responsible. And when you consider that love is supposedly what's saved Harry, it's extremely scary to think what he would be like if he refused to love or be loved.

hp and the ender's game series

From an AIM conversation between a friend and me.

Her: I'm re-reading the Ender's Game series right now, and I find it's really interesting to compare the style of teacher-involvement at Hogwarts versus that at Ender's Battle School

Me: oh, that would be an interesting comparison. I should re-read it too.

Her: In Ender, the teachers have a non-interference policy, but they set Ender up for failure, and deliberately hide the consequences of his actions. Hogwarts teachers seem to have an unwritten, similar, code. They really don't interfere that often, they are by no means honest with their students, yet each teacher seems allowed to develop their own policy, such as treat-this-house-like-crap-and-treat-that-house-wonderfully. Yet nothing is done to stop/prevent it. Dumbledore seems as devious and almost evil as the Colonel in charge of Battle School. He's another one that interests me, actually. Dumbledore. In part because the 'good guys' all revere him and believe him to be so great, but he's consistantly shown himself to be quite fallible and anything but perfect with perfect judgement. In both universes, the people in charge of the children seem to be almost winging it

Me: you are dead right. Dumbledore is frickin' scary.
Me: and it really is a good parallel. in both cases, they're setting up a child to be a hero, without caring what it does to his psyche.

Her: Frankly, I have no clue what Dumbledore's done that makes him so great, other than getting rid of what's-his-face (you know who I mean, I'm just blanking on names today). Sure, he gives people a third, and fourth, and fifth chance which makes him seem compassionate. But compassion is not greatness.
Harry's going to grow up to be as fucked up as Ender, if not more so.
Her: At least Ender got 3000 years to get it right

Me: Grindelwald. and yes, Harry's going to be fucked up. I think Snape knows that, and it's part of what makes him so fucking frustrated.
Me: not because he cares about Harry as a person, but because he's afraid they're going to have another Voldemort on their hands.

Her: Ender's wife, in the later books, Novinha and Harry are a lot alike, in some ways. For both, everyone they love/care about ends up dead and they hold themselves responsible. And when you consider that love is supposedly what's saved Harry, it's extremely scary to think what he would be like if he refused to love or be loved.