two unrelated questions

[pauraque_bk]

1) For those of you who have "you guys" for the plural of "you" in your spoken dialect, how do you form the possessive?

-you guys' (same pronunciation as singular)
-you guys's
-your guys's
-(something else?)

I just heard the cashier at the store say "your guys's", which is a formation I enjoy. Language change by analogy is so funny-strange. I probably say "you guys's" most of the time, but "your guys's" also seems natural to me.


2) What helps one stop waking up during the night? This is a new thing for me, and I assume it's stress related since nothing else in my life has changed. I fall asleep fine but wake up several times.

Comments

[lilacsigil.livejournal.com]

I'd say "you guys's", but more popular here is "youse" or "youse guys", which is possessive as "youse's".

[pauraque]

"Youse" etc is definitely not heard here, I'm only familiar with it from TV which implies that it's heard on the east coast of the US. I had no idea it was current in Australia.

[lilacsigil.livejournal.com]

Yes, "youse" has been around in Australia for decades - it's very bogan and/or rural, but pretty popular.

[alibi-factory.livejournal.com]

Huh, I thought 'youse' was strictly a Philadelphia thing.

[florahart]

1. you guys's, but more likely y'all's

2. I don't know. Sorry. Warm milk? Happy thoughts? Ummm.

[scarah2.livejournal.com]

I think I would write it you guys' but I pronounce it you guyzez. I think I've been guilty of your guyzez at some point or another as well.

I only wake up if I am really, REALLY stressed out, like not normal stressed out, but really stressed out. Or if I dream weird shit that freaks me out, or if there are really loud noises. Or if I am in some kind of pain. Does your tooth still hurt? Are you dreaming weird shit? Or do you not know why you woke up?

[pauraque]

Well, I am pulling up roots and moving across the country in three months, and it is very stressful even though it's what I want to do. I am dreaming weird shit but sometimes I also wake up for seemingly no reason (usually I remember my dreams).

[alchemine.livejournal.com]

I usually say "you guys'," but sometimes "you guys's."

The retail-related language construction I love most is "I can help who's next," or sometimes "I can help who's ever next." Back when I worked in a store, everyone I knew said it, and I hear cashiers say it when I'm waiting in line now, but you never hear it anywhere else.

2. God, I wish I knew. I haven't slept through the night in years.

[donnaimmaculata.livejournal.com]

2. I don't know how to stop waking during the night, but listening to an audiobook makes me fall asleep instantly. I use this technique whenever I can't go to sleep or wake up in the middle of the night, and it never fails - it takes me out within minutes.

[pauraque]

Reading a non-fiction book I've read before puts me right out. A new book or anything fictional just keeps me awake.

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

I've said "your guys's." (the second word is a homonym for "guises".) "Your guys's order is coming right up."

[http://users.livejournal.com/_hannelore/]

1. I usually drop the "guys" for the possessive, i.e. "Where are you guys gonna go eat? Can I sit at your table?"

2. I know this will make you go baaaaaah, but Calms Forte really helped me go back to sleep quickly when I woke up multiple times while pregnant. Most times I didn't even remember waking up.

[pauraque]

It only worked for you because of the placebo effect. Substances sold as homeopathic medicine are diluted beyond the point where anything other than water can be detected in the bottle; there aren't even *molecules* left of the (harmful) herbs or chemicals it supposedly contains.

It should set off red flags when you see in the FAQ on the site you linked that the medication has no drug interactions, no side effects, and that you can take it ANY TIME of the day or night and it will never make you sleepy during the day. This is because it doesn't contain any active ingredients, or at least in such minute amounts that they couldn't possibly act on you. You could take the whole bottle and nothing would happen.

The ingredients it does supposedly contain also aren't sleep aids, they're stimulants. The theory of homeopathy is "treat like with like" -- if you can't sleep, take a stimulant. No kidding.

It doesn't make me go bah because I'm skeptical about "alternative medicine". Traditional and herbal medicine are just fine (and homeopathy isn't traditional, it's quite modern!), but homeopathy, specifically, is a crock of shit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy

[pauraque]

Even if it uses herbs, homeopathy is not the same thing as what we normally call "herbal medicine", for two reasons:

-Chamomile's sleep-inducing properties may not have been rigorously tested, but it is definitely not a stimulant. The things used to make homeopathic sleep aids are stimulants. That's what homeopathy is -- applying things that *produce* the symptoms you're trying to eliminate. Regular old herbal medicine applies herbs that are intended to reduce your symptoms.

-Homeopathy takes substances that do something, or might do something, and dilutes them to the point where they're undetectable. This is why taking a homeopathic sleep aid made of stimulants doesn't stimulate you. It doesn't do anything because it doesn't contain any active ingredients that scientific observation, or your body, can detect.


Probiotics are quite separate from all of this. Probiotics are living bacteria that are supposed to supplement the natural bacteria that live in your digestive system and allow you to digest food in a normal way. Nothing to do with herbs or homeopathy at all.

[http://users.livejournal.com/_hannelore/]

I suppose you could drink chamomile tea and get the just about the same effects, or a placebo affect, just like some people would swear by warm milk but that has never made me sleepy ever.

[pauraque]

Way to bahleet your comment! I'm calling fandom wank.

I don't think anyone believes warm milk has any medicinal properties. Drinking something warm and tasty has a psychologically relaxing effect on some people.

I would drink chamomile way before I'd take homeopathic remedies. In fact there's a box of chamomile tea right next to me...

[http://users.livejournal.com/_hannelore/]

:D :D :D I knew that was going to happen!

Actually, the breakdown you listed below my bahleetion was quite useful. I suppose originally my hackles were raised because I've caught flack from other people (not you) about things like probiotics, i.e. lumping it all in the same category.

The only reason I hate chamomile tea is that I don't like the taste. And it looks like pee. :|

[pauraque]

Funnily enough I'm drinking a probiotic smoothie even as we speak.

I agree it's silly to lump everything that's Not Western Medicine into one category. People appear to do this regardless of whether they favor or disfavor it, which is a bit alarming because it means a lot of people are using medicines when they don't understand what they are or how they work.

[http://users.livejournal.com/_hannelore/]

which is a bit alarming because it means a lot of people are using medicines when they don't understand what they are or how they work.

I do agree with this a lot.

I need to get some good smoothie recipes! /consults netterwebs

[sistermagpie.livejournal.com]

I think I've used many different forms of it: youse guys', you guys', maybe even your guys' at times.

I'm sure there's information about waking up during the night. Though since you haven't changed your diet at all I don't know what you could do...do you have anything that might be a trigger that you're just sensitive to now? Like light coming in or noise?

[sedesdraconis.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure "you guys" is actually in my dialect, just me and my friends use it cause we took linguistics and decided a second person plural pronoun is useful :p

I think most of the time we would switch to "y'all's" to form the possessive, or "your" with ASL plural pronoun gestures.

[wootsauce.livejournal.com]

1 - I do say you guys, but for the posessive I think I just say your.
2 - Yoga... if I'm being too lazy I have a hard time staying asleep.

[pauraque]

2. That's actually not a bad idea. Due to a strange confluence of events I had to take a yoga class years ago, and it did make me feel very flexy and relaxed. I don't remember any of it but the interwebs could probably jog my memory.

[wootsauce.livejournal.com]

I do Bikram yoga (well....when I go... I haven't much recently.) It's really hard and you get all hot and sweaty but I always feel great afterwards and I fall asleep like instantly.
There's a Bikram yoga studio in Berkeley that my brother goes to, but I think it's pretty expensive (and I SO would not recommend paying to go to a Bikram yoga studio unless you knew you liked it first anyway!) I'm sure you could find something online. Or like a video or something.

[alibi-factory.livejournal.com]

Youse guys's, mostly.

[woolf.livejournal.com]

I grew up with your guys's, but that was always a pain to type, so I've reverted to y'all. (Which supposedly should be ya'll, according to my mother who lives in Arkansas, but meh.)

I'd generally recommend herbal tea for not being able to sleep. Or fish in Warcraft. That'll put you to sleep in a hurry.

[pauraque]

I had to stop fishing because the achievements popping up made me too depressed.

[idlerat.livejournal.com]

-you guys' (same pronunciation as singular)