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pauraque_bkThere was a theory discussed in Chapter 13 that I'd never heard before: Trelawney is reading Voldemort's horoscope via the scar. Scarcrux ahoy!
GoF 14: The Unforgivable Curses
It's notable here that kids this age aren't normally taught this level of magic. Crouch!Moody isn't just doing the job and staying below the radar, he's going out of his way to give them useful information.
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skelkins's Arthur Weasley was under Imperius during the war theory, which I think still holds a lot of water, even three years later.
In the context of the HP books, though, it seems the Muggle nonsense phrase denoting magic (abra cadabra) is a distorted remembrance of the deadliest curse, presumably from before the Muggle-magical split, which is a detail I love.
Junior giving Neville the book about water plants is part of his Sinister Plot, right? He's hoping Neville will show the book to Harry, and it'll help him in the second task? Crazy shit, especially since Harry and Neville barely speak to each other. No wonder Junior and Voldie are such pals; they both love convoluted schemes.
garlandgraves had a good post on how strange it is that in a story hinging on a prophecy, Divination is usually treated as all but useless.
However:
Second task: Rescuing the person you'd miss most from the lake. (Lose a treasured possession.)
Harry will be betrayed by Crouch!Moody. (Stabbed in the back by someone he thought was a friend.)
He will also have a fight -- the duel with Voldemort -- and it certainly doesn't go as well as it could for him.
sistermagpie had a post on the way wizards relate to non-wizards, including some points about elves that I think are quite valid and relevant here.
Previous GoF posts are saved in memories here.
[The preceding was typed after having been stabbed painfully in both arms by a less-than-competent blood draw technician. Ow.]
GoF 14: The Unforgivable Curses
The next two days passed without great incident, unless you counted Neville melting his sixth cauldron in Potions. Professor Snape, who seemed to have attained new levels of vindictiveness over the summer, gave Neville detention, and Neville returned from it in a state of nervous collapse, having been made to disembowel a barrelful of horned toads. (185)Snape knows Neville has a pet toad -- he almost poisoned it in PoA 7. Nasty.
'You know why Snape's in such a foul mood, don't you?' said Ron[...]I'll bet! Not because Snape yet again failed to get the Defence job (as Ron and Harry think), but because it's a bit scary having him around when you're a DE who walked free.
'Yeah,' said Harry. 'Moody.' (185)
'You'll be Arthur Weasley's son, eh?' Moody said. 'Your father got me out of a very tight corner a few days ago ... yeah, I'm staying just the one year. Special favour to Dumbledore ... one year, and then back to my quiet retirement.'As usual, Crouch!Moody keeps overt lies to a minimum. Arthur coming to smooth things over did help him, and he isn't planning to stay more than one year. He's laughing at his own irony with the "quiet retirement" line -- his expectation right now is that at the end of this school year, Voldemort will once more rise to power, and he'll be at his side.
He gave a harsh laugh[...](187)
It's notable here that kids this age aren't normally taught this level of magic. Crouch!Moody isn't just doing the job and staying below the radar, he's going out of his way to give them useful information.
'Er,' said Ron tentatively, 'my dad told me about one ... is it called the Imperius curse, or something?'This is my favorite piece of evidence in
'Ah, yes,' said Moody appreciatively. 'Your father would know that one. Gave the Ministry a lot of trouble at one time, the Imperius curse.' (188)
skelkins's Arthur Weasley was under Imperius during the war theory, which I think still holds a lot of water, even three years later.Moody did not remove his wand, and the spider started to shudder and jerk more violently--'I point this out mostly because I like it when Hermione shows concern for Neville. She and Neville were friends in the beginning of PS/SS, before Ron and Harry decided she was cool enough to hang out with.
'Stop it!' Hermione said shrilly.
Harry looked around at her. She was looking, not at the spider, but at Neville, and Harry, following her gaze, saw that Neville's hands were clenched upon the desk in front of him, his knuckles white, his eyes wide and horrified. (190)
'Avada Kedavra!' Moody roared. (190)The HP Lexicon has a little blurb on the etymology of Avada Kedavra. My understanding is that its real use was as a healing charm.
In the context of the HP books, though, it seems the Muggle nonsense phrase denoting magic (abra cadabra) is a distorted remembrance of the deadliest curse, presumably from before the Muggle-magical split, which is a detail I love.
All four of them fell silent, watching [Moody] apprehensively, but when he spoke, it was in a much lower and gentler growl than they had yet heard.This is heady stuff. As we find out later, Junior was one of the DEs who tortured Neville's parents. He is one sick puppy, and no one has an inkling that anything is wrong -- not Neville, and certainly not Harry, who astoundingly compares him to Remus. What did Neville think when he found out who was really comforting him over tea that day?
'It's all right, sonny,' he said to Neville. 'Why don't you come up to my office? Come on ... we can have a cup of tea...' (193)
They went up to the dormitory to fetch their books and charts, and found Neville there alone, sitting on his bed, reading. He looked a good deal clamer than at the end of Moody's lesson, though still not entirely normal. His eyes were rather red.
'You all right, Neville?' Harry asked him.
'Oh yes,' said Neville, 'I'm fine, thanks. Just reading this book Professor Moody lent me...'
He held up the book: Magical Mediterranean Water-Plants and Their Properties.
'Apparently, Professor Sprout told Professor Moody I'm really good at Herbology,' Neville said. There was a faint note of pride in his voice that Harry had rarely heard there before. 'He thought I'd like this.'
Telling Neville what Professor Sprout had said, Harry thought, had been a very tactful way of cheering Neville up, for Neville very rarely heard that he was good at anything. It was the sort of thing Professor Lupin would have done. (194-195)
Junior giving Neville the book about water plants is part of his Sinister Plot, right? He's hoping Neville will show the book to Harry, and it'll help him in the second task? Crazy shit, especially since Harry and Neville barely speak to each other. No wonder Junior and Voldie are such pals; they both love convoluted schemes.
[Ron:] 'I think it's back to the old Divination standby.'And so they do. Recently
'What -- make it up?' (195)
garlandgraves had a good post on how strange it is that in a story hinging on a prophecy, Divination is usually treated as all but useless.However:
[Harry:] 'OK ... on Monday, I will be in danger of -- er -- burns.'First task: Dragons. (Danger of burns.)
'Yeah, you will be,' said Ron darkly, 'we're seeing the Skrewts again on Monday. OK, Tuesday, I'll ... erm...'
'Lose a treasured possession,' said Harry, who was flicking through Unfogging the Future for ideas.
'Good one,' said Ron, copying it down. 'Because of ... erm ... Mercury. Why don't you get stabbed in the back by someone you thought was a friend?'
'Yeah ... cool ...' said Harry, scribbling it down, 'because ... Venus is in the twelfth house.'
'And on Wednesday, I think I'll come off worst in a fight.'
'Aaah, I was going to have a fight. OK, I'll lose a bet.'
'Yeah, you'll be betting I'll win my fight...' (196)
Second task: Rescuing the person you'd miss most from the lake. (Lose a treasured possession.)
Harry will be betrayed by Crouch!Moody. (Stabbed in the back by someone he thought was a friend.)
He will also have a fight -- the duel with Voldemort -- and it certainly doesn't go as well as it could for him.
As Harry watched, George shook his head at Fred, scratched something out with his quill and said, in a very quiet voice that nevertheless carried across the almost deserted room, 'No -- that sounds like we're accusing him. Got to be careful...' (197)Presumably they're writing to Ludo Bagman here, after realizing he gave them Leprechaun gold.
' "Spew"?' said Harry, picking up a badge and looking at it. 'What's this about?'I don't know if the "spew" joke is supposed to make us agree with Ron that Hermione's being stupid, or if it's just... there.
'Not spew,' said Hermione impatiently. 'It's S -- P -- E -- W. Stands for the Society for the Promotion of Elfish Welfare.' (198)
sistermagpie had a post on the way wizards relate to non-wizards, including some points about elves that I think are quite valid and relevant here.Previous GoF posts are saved in memories here.
[The preceding was typed after having been stabbed painfully in both arms by a less-than-competent blood draw technician. Ow.]
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Date: 2005-09-30 09:03 am (UTC)Also, I skimmed through the post re the possibility of Arthur being under the Imperio curse during the first war, but the only thing I couldn't get was why it would have occured. Are we postulating that Arthur was in some sort of powerful position, thus Voldemort could get him to do things from the inside of the Ministry? And that bit about a dead Weasley boy is interesting.
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Date: 2005-09-30 04:09 pm (UTC)No, that one really hasn't aged all that badly, has it? I'm glad you like it. I'm quite partial to it as well, and am hoping that it will make it through Book Seven un-debunked, so that I can continue to enjoy believing in it in perpetuity. :)
Are we postulating that Arthur was in some sort of powerful position, thus Voldemort could get him to do things from the inside of the Ministry?
Ludo Bagman doesn't seem to have been in a powerful position back then either, and yet he was still suborned or tricked or persuaded somehow to pass on information from inside the Ministry. My feeling was that Bagman's trial sets precedent for the idea that Voldemort and the Death Eaters did indeed target low-ranking Ministry officials. Also, if the Imperius Curse caused a "lot of trouble" for the Ministry, one of the reasons for that might have been that there were a lot of people under it, not just high-flyers.
Crouch!Moody isn't just doing the job and staying below the radar, he's going out of his way to give them useful information.
Crouch is such a show-off. He really is.
This is heady stuff. As we find out later, Junior was one of the DEs who tortured Neville's parents. He is one sick puppy, and no one has an inkling that anything is wrong -- not Neville, and certainly not Harry, who astoundingly compares him to Remus.
Are we really so sure that Neville doesn't have an inkling that something is wrong? It's perfectly understandable that the Cruciatus demonstration freaks him out, but even after the class is over, when the Trio meet up with him in the corridor, he's still really shaken - shaken to the point of borderline incoherence. I've always wondered if Neville might not have been reacting there in part to a kind of inchoate sense that there's something Really Not Right about Moody. Even after the tea session with Crouch/Moody, Neville's still a bit "off." Although he seems cheered by the Herbology Book when Harry meets up with him again in the dormitories, he's also got red eyes - he's been crying - and although Harry doesn't notice it, the narrative tells us as readers that Neville lies awake that night.
I guess he's probably just thinking about his parents, but all the same, it does make me wonder if there might not have been something about Crouch/Moody himself that left Neville so very unsettled.
I'm dying to know how that whole "tea with Crouch/Moody" conversation went, myself. I've an unwholesome curiousity about it. If I were ever to write fanfic, that scene would probably be the topic I'd choose.
What did Neville think when he found out who was really comforting him over tea that day?
Or possibly that would be.
Junior giving Neville the book about water plants is part of his Sinister Plot, right?
It's a totally deranged scheme, and it always just makes me feel sorry for Peter Pettigrew. I can just imagine him, trying to work up the courage to articulate yet another Chapter One 'forgive me, my lord, but I must speak' sort of objection, only to get shot down by these two nutty sadists he's stuck associating with. Poor little rat.
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Date: 2005-09-30 04:18 pm (UTC)This is the first I've heard of it, but then I'm not to up-to-date with fandom meta. I only found out about 'Ron=Dumbledore' about six months ago :-)
I always got the feeling that Bagman was a real slimy dude, and anything he did was for pure personal gain. I guess he could have been coerced into doing something he felt was morally repugnant, as long as he won out in the end.
I feel for poor Neville, and as much as I'd like to give him credit, I don't think he picked up on anything strange with fake!Moody. I think he's a sensitive boy who's been raised by an overbearing grandmother, and just wishes he had a nice boring life.
No offense to
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Date: 2005-09-30 08:29 pm (UTC)I've always wondered if Neville might not have been reacting there in part to a kind of inchoate sense that there's something Really Not Right about Moody. Even after the tea session with Crouch/Moody, Neville's still a bit "off." Although he seems cheered by the Herbology Book when Harry meets up with him again in the dormitories, he's also got red eyes - he's been crying - and although Harry doesn't notice it, the narrative tells us as readers that Neville lies awake that night.
Personally, I think Crouch's tea with Neville was probably one of the more terrifying things we don't see. I can imagine him telling Neville ALL ABOUT what happened to his parents in great detail that's designed to horrify him under the explanation that HE HAS TO KNOW!!
Bella is one of the DEs who did wind up in prison so presumably Barty likes her??
Anyway, I think that tea may have been an important motivation behind Neville's actions in OotP. He's always known his parents were the way they were, as he's presumably always visited them, but Crouch may have explained to him exactly what happened to them in a way that made him think about it differently. We know he knew about the Cruciatious since he reacted badly to it in class, but his grandmother may have given him one story that encouraged him to process it a certain way while Crouch's version shed a new light on it. Perhaps a more proactive one. Neville does know eventually who it was he was speaking with--in OotP Umbridge mentions their past DADA-teacher being a Death Eater and Dean defends Fake!Moody so the kids do know. But I wouldn't be surprised if Crouch got Neville thinking about protecting/avenging himself on Bellatrix if she were to get out of prison and Voldemort were to rise again. I wouldn't even be surprised if it was only at this tea that Neville first learned *which* DEs tortured his parents--as in, knowing them by name.
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Date: 2005-10-02 06:56 am (UTC)From the look of things on Pensieve Flashback #3, Bellatrix was leading the group behind the attack on Frank and Alice (which included the Lestrange brothers and Barty himself), so I suppose Barty respects her on some level.
I always thought that on some level Barty regretted taking part on the attack when he came face to face with the boy who lost his parents to Crucio-induced insanity, so maybe he told Neville all the details because he owed him that much.
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Date: 2005-10-02 03:51 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2005-10-07 04:14 am (UTC)Anyway, I think that tea may have been an important motivation behind Neville's actions in OotP. He's always known his parents were the way they were, as he's presumably always visited them, but Crouch may have explained to him exactly what happened to them in a way that made him think about it differently. We know he knew about the Cruciatious since he reacted badly to it in class, but his grandmother may have given him one story that encouraged him to process it a certain way while Crouch's version shed a new light on it. Perhaps a more proactive one.
This seems really plausible to me. Even aside from his sadism and his love of irony, Crouch also had a pragmatic reason for wanting to force Neville into a more proactive stance. For his plan to work, he needed Neville to read far enough into that Herbology book to have come across the references to the properties of gillyweed -- and up until this point in the canon, Neville really hadn't been portrayed as a terribly driven student (in PoA, he's not only shown as having left his vampire essay to the very last minute, but he also comes about thiiiiiiis close to asking Harry to write it for him).
Pressing home the "you owe it to your poor, martyred parents to be less inadequate as a wizard" argument, and then following it up with the praise over Neville's Herbology talents and the loan of the book would have been an effective way to manipulate Neville into really reading the thing. First make him feel hopelessly inadequate, then provide him with a way to rectify his "inadequacy." Nice.
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Date: 2005-10-08 06:18 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-10-01 10:48 pm (UTC)I always thought it would be nice if you would write fanfic -- you and other essayists like
In any case, it's possible that Neville felt something was strange about Moody, but if he did, we'd never find out about it, since Harry never has real conversations with him. He's just there.
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Date: 2005-10-07 04:17 am (UTC)Not to wander too far off the topic, but why do you prefer essaying to the exclusion of fic-writing? I'm just curious.
I don't really know, honestly. It's strange, since I do like writing fiction, have written fanfic in the past, and (obviously) do very much engage with the HP books on an imaginative level. Yet somehow, I've just never been able to get myself very geared up about the idea of writing fiction set in the Potterverse.
It may have something to do with the whimsical aspects of the series. I don't really know if I could write fiction set in a universe in which people are named things like "Daedalus Diggle." That sense of whimsey seems a very intrinsic aspect of the Potterverse to me, and while I find it fun to read, it's also not a mindset that I can enter into very easily myself -- not in the way that I feel I have to in order to write fiction set in a shared world. If that makes sense?
And then there's also...well, I'm hesitant to mention this, because (a) it makes me sound like such a Delicate Snowflake, and (b) it touches on four-year-old Drama that I'd rather not seen stirred up again, but it's probably an important factor here, so. When I first became active on HPfGU, there was a clique of Big Name fanfic people who were really nasty to me and made me feel incredibly unwelcome in "their" fandom. Most of the people who went out of their way to be kind and welcoming and to make me feel at home, on the other hand, were primarily - or in some cases even exclusively - analysis/speculation/meta people.
And that really did put me off fanfic for a while. In fact, I stopped reading it altogether for nearly a year. I know that sounds incredibly childish and stupid ("Well, if you're going to be such poopie-heads, then I won't even pay attention to your favorite form of fanac, so there!"), but it wasn't really a conscious decision on my part - more of an instinctive emotional reaction. I just found that being the target of so much hostility from all of these high status fanfic people caused me to lose interest in that entire side of the fandom, in spite of the fact that previously I had really enjoyed it. So it's possible that part of the reason that I've never written any fic is left-over residue from that entire Newbie Trauma as well.
Yeah, I know, I know. What can I say? Sometimes I can be a little thin-skinned.
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Date: 2005-10-01 10:43 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-09-30 11:47 am (UTC)About the fouth-years learning about the Unforgiveable Curses: I don't remember where it is in HBP but I remember a reference to someone writing a paper on how to resist Imperius. Apparently they thought Crazy Barty's addition to the curriculum was a good one!
Good job, by the way! I was here for the POA chapter review, and I never left! Very enjoyable.
~mary
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Date: 2005-10-01 10:50 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-10-02 06:56 pm (UTC)I'm pretty sure that someone somewhere says that they wouldn't usually have covered it until 6th year - quite possibly it was Croudy, but I'm not sure...
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Date: 2005-09-30 01:43 pm (UTC)'Yeah,' said Harry. 'Moody.' (185)
Also a pun, Snape is "moody."
I point this out mostly because I like it when Hermione shows concern for Neville. She and Neville were friends in the beginning of PS/SS, before Ron and Harry decided she was cool enough to hang out with.
And she continues to help him in class. Whether or not Neville fancies her, he definitely recognizes her good qualities, and that's why he invites her to the Ball.
This is heady stuff. As we find out later, Junior was one of the DEs who tortured Neville's parents. He is one sick puppy, and no one has an inkling that anything is wrong -- not Neville, and certainly not Harry, who astoundingly compares him to Remus.
Poor Neville.
Crazy shit, especially since Harry and Neville barely speak to each other. No wonder Junior and Voldie are such pals; they both love convoluted schemes.
Good point. Why not give the book to Hermione?
Good analysis of the truth of the boys' fake predictions.
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Date: 2005-09-30 03:06 pm (UTC)I've always found this extremely funny. *sigh*
And Neville does seem to get bashed over the head repeatedly in this book. Apparently, in order to get a major role in a future book, without having to play Quidditch, you need to have one nightmare of a year!
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Date: 2005-09-30 05:10 pm (UTC)Did Sprout march up to Moody and tell him 'Hey! That Longbottom boy is really good at Herbology! this is really random, but I just had to tell you.'??
Or did Barty Jr ask her about her best student?
He is sick.
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Date: 2005-10-01 10:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-10-03 03:12 am (UTC)Which kind of makes you wonder — how do the other teachers respond to Snape's opinions of Harry and Neville?
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Date: 2005-10-04 02:09 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-09-30 05:19 pm (UTC)I guess we'll go into this later, but that's really interesting wording, isn't it? Friendship as possession: Ron being the 'thing' Harry will miss most, as if he owns him. Odd.
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Date: 2005-09-30 06:07 pm (UTC)Or perhaps it's supposed to say something about Harry and his view of Ron? But everyone's 'thing they'd miss most' turns out to be a person, doesn't it?
(I suppose it'd be less excited and we wouldn't have been ablne to see HeroicNoble!Harry if he'd had to rescue his broomstick!)
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Date: 2005-09-30 09:00 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-10-01 05:34 pm (UTC)That's because the egg's line is simply "We've taken what you'll sorely miss"; this wording could leave the choice open for a physical possession (such as a broomstick) or an emotional possession (ie, the friendship/sister-hood/love you share with a person) -- both would be referred to as "what", rather than "who".
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Date: 2005-09-30 05:34 pm (UTC)Second task: Rescuing the person you'd miss most from the lake. (Lose a treasured possession.)
Harry will be betrayed by Crouch!Moody. (Stabbed in the back by someone he thought was a friend.)
He will also have a fight -- the duel with Voldemort -- and it certainly doesn't go as well as it could for him.
That? Is absolutely BRILLIANT. Great catch, really great.
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Date: 2005-10-01 10:52 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-09-30 07:28 pm (UTC)This only recently caught my attention, but I think it's a bit ood. Because we've never really had much (if any) indication that the real Moody has some sort of obssessive hatred with Death Eaters who've gone free. We know from the Pensieve that he's very unsympathetic toward them, but we don't get a sense that he's seething with hatred toward them to the point of frightening them. Which is what makes Snape's reaction to him even stranger, because Moody knows that he was a spy, in both wars. Yet while Karkaroff's (who got off scot-free without having been a spy) primary reaction to him is disdain and anger, Snape (in GoF) seems wary, even scared of him. It's possible that both he and Dumbledore might have known something was off.
First task: Dragons. (Danger of burns.)
Second task: Rescuing the person you'd miss most from the lake. (Lose a treasured possession.)
Harry will be betrayed by Crouch!Moody. (Stabbed in the back by someone he thought was a friend.)
He will also have a fight -- the duel with Voldemort -- and it certainly doesn't go as well as it could for him.
I completely love this. It's true that so much in the story depends on divination, which is why I think that as a talent and a subject, it's not viewed as useless (except by certain characters). As a course to be taught, however, it is viewed as useless by the narrative voice, in the same way that history in HPverse is viewed. I think the difference is in the way that both are handled throughout the books: with the exception of MWPP-era history, history has little significance in the HP books, and the information given in Binns' class is never used, whereas Divination is half the focal point of the whole series, and almost every one of Trelawney's predictions have been correct in one way or another (even the offhanded ones she makes in class).
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Date: 2005-09-30 07:30 pm (UTC)Sorry, I suppose I should add Gaunt-era history here, too.
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Date: 2005-09-30 09:02 pm (UTC)I think we do have indications that he obsessively hates, or at least is obsessive about catching, dark wizards in general. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to assume that DE's would be at the top of that list.
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Date: 2005-10-01 04:05 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-10-01 10:55 pm (UTC)Yeah, that's pretty much it. It's interesting that when people write Moody in fic, his characterization is usually pretty strongly based on Crouch!Moody; people don't feel the need to limit themselves to the little we see of real!Moody. We assume his portrayal of Moody is close enough that no one would know the difference... Of course, that changes if you postulate that some people did suspect something was wrong, but chose not to act. Or if people didn't think anything of changes in his personality because he's a crazy old dude to start with.
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Date: 2005-10-01 11:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-09-30 11:29 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-10-01 04:38 pm (UTC)Snape possibly might've been doing something suspicious (I'm a little wary of going down that road, since I can't really speculate on ESE!Snape vs. Good!Snape yet), we don't yet know. Assuming he is completely innocent, the only thing that would have him anticipating Voldemort's return (that would make his doing so somehow less suspicious than Dumbledore and Sirius doing the same) would be his Mark acting up in a similar manner as Harry's scar did during the summer; I figured Snape had told Dumbledore about this and it was one of the things that made DD hire Moody for DADA. But this Mark is the exact same one that Karkaroff would have. And Karkaroff wasn't an Order spy, nor did he have Dumbledore's backing -- he got cleared under his own power. So it just seems odd to me that Snape was so wary around Moody while Karkaroff was comfortable with making fun of Moody's paranoia. I would think that if Moody's hatred of free Death Eaters really was infamous enough to cause fear, Karkaroff would have more reason to be afraid than Snape would (we already know that Karkaroff is nowhere near as good at keeping his cool as Snape is, and this is where Voldemort himself is concerned).
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Date: 2005-10-03 05:10 pm (UTC)Which brings up the question of how exactly one does become Headmaster and how a DE who went free would qualify.
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Date: 2005-10-04 11:54 am (UTC)Second task: Rescuing the person you'd miss most from the lake. (Lose a treasured possession.)
Harry will be betrayed by Crouch!Moody. (Stabbed in the back by someone he thought was a friend.)
Remember that the plotline about the Half-blood Prince's potions textbook was originally intended for Book Two? If JKR had followed her original idea, then Snape would have been a nice parallel to Harry:
Book 1: Snape is set on fire by Hermione. (Danger of burns.)
Book 2: The Prince's potions book is misplaced. (Lose a treasured possession.)
Book 3: Betrayed by Fake!Moody (fellow Death Eater Crouch Jr.). (Stabbed in the back by someone he thought was a friend.)
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Date: 2005-10-04 02:16 pm (UTC)Book 1: Voldemort/Quirrel's hands get burnt when he tries to touch Harry
Book 2: Riddle's diary gets chucked in Myrtle's bathroom
Book 3: Hmm... There's definitely the traitor theme, though, but I an't really find anything.
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Date: 2005-10-03 03:07 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-10-03 03:15 am (UTC)Then I guess the question is whether JKR forgot as well. It makes perfect sense for Neville to be horrified by dead toads, but much less sense for him to be horrified by dead spikey lizards. JKR knows very little about reptiles; every time she mentions them, she gets something wrong.
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Date: 2005-10-09 04:11 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-10-03 01:52 pm (UTC)But, as Junior later admits, he hadn't counted on Harry's independent streak; he expected him to beg anyone and everyone for help.