Shaken, not stirred.
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pauraque_bkThis is a question I haven't been able to answer satisfactorily for my own purposes, which is a bit embarrassing (and burdensome, as a writer), so I'd like to get some fresh opinions.
How could Dumbledore not know Peter was the spy?
Peter was in the Order; presumably he and Dumbledore had some interaction. Dumbledore is an expert Legilimens. Peter is very emotionally demonstrative -- he seems the last person who would be able to conceal such a secret.
Perhaps Peter was so underestimated that Dumbledore would never have thought he was a traitor, no matter how odd his behavior. Or maybe his behavior actually didn't seem odd: He's a nervous person, everyone knew that, and no one thought anything of elevated anxiety during wartime.
Is it possible that Peter was not afraid of the prospect of being found out, either because he placed such trust in Voldemort, or due to some other aspect of the circumstance?
Or might Peter have done such a good job at diverting suspicion onto Remus that it was never really questioned by those who were in the loop?
Whatever the case, it seems odd that Dumbledore wouldn't check everyone in the Order from time to time -- it appears that all he has to do to get a quick read on someone is to look into their eyes. This leads to the thought that something was hindering Dumbledore's ability to read Peter. Many have suggested that Voldemort taught Peter a few tricks, as it were -- could Occlumency be one of them? The Occlumency/Legilimency experts we know (Snape, Dumbledore, Voldemort), are all socially maladjusted in one way or another; Peter would make an interesting addition to this group.
Or might Voldemort have placed Peter under something like the Fidelius Charm, preventing him from revealing the secret?
This one is a bit of a stumper for me. All suggestions welcome.
How could Dumbledore not know Peter was the spy?
Peter was in the Order; presumably he and Dumbledore had some interaction. Dumbledore is an expert Legilimens. Peter is very emotionally demonstrative -- he seems the last person who would be able to conceal such a secret.
Perhaps Peter was so underestimated that Dumbledore would never have thought he was a traitor, no matter how odd his behavior. Or maybe his behavior actually didn't seem odd: He's a nervous person, everyone knew that, and no one thought anything of elevated anxiety during wartime.
Is it possible that Peter was not afraid of the prospect of being found out, either because he placed such trust in Voldemort, or due to some other aspect of the circumstance?
Or might Peter have done such a good job at diverting suspicion onto Remus that it was never really questioned by those who were in the loop?
Whatever the case, it seems odd that Dumbledore wouldn't check everyone in the Order from time to time -- it appears that all he has to do to get a quick read on someone is to look into their eyes. This leads to the thought that something was hindering Dumbledore's ability to read Peter. Many have suggested that Voldemort taught Peter a few tricks, as it were -- could Occlumency be one of them? The Occlumency/Legilimency experts we know (Snape, Dumbledore, Voldemort), are all socially maladjusted in one way or another; Peter would make an interesting addition to this group.
Or might Voldemort have placed Peter under something like the Fidelius Charm, preventing him from revealing the secret?
This one is a bit of a stumper for me. All suggestions welcome.
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bitch please!
Date: 2004-07-17 04:05 am (UTC)Yeah, that's right. All you PoA enthusiasts are RAPING JKR'S SOUL! Way to go! Have you no respect for the women from whom Stan sprung, fully formed and Athena like, from her goddess like forehead?
No, as long as you're writing your Ernie/Voodoo head mpreg, you're happy, right?
Never mind about a little thing called 'authorial intent', which I mastered in my critically acclaimed DE!Stan!/Animagus!Sirius fic 'The Dark Knight (Bus) of the Soul' which won best fic at StanCon84; based upon canonical evidence from page 38 of PoA - oh sweet page 38, you've known so many tears and sweet joys as you live under my pillow...
"... all You-Know-Oos supporters were tracked down, wasnt they, Ern? Most of em knew it was all over, wiv You-Know-Oo gone, and they came quiet. But not Sirius Black. I eard he thought ed be second-in-command once You-Know-Oo ad taken over...Cos es mad..."
Ever wondered HOW STAN KNEW Sirius' intimate thoughts, feelings and mental state?
You probably thought it was sloppy exposition from JKR, you ingrate, instead of her gifting us with homoerotic subtext as a reward for our interpretation of the text!
But then, what am I saying? The literary methods we Shunpike gals use are so very beyond you. I heard you ship Top!Stan. Yeah *snickers* Enough said.
(pauraque, please don't ban us...*facepalms*)
Re: bitch please!
Date: 2004-07-17 04:42 am (UTC)Liek *I* would want to be, liek part of UR community. I bet it's full of looooooosers, who cant c teh goodness of Ernie da driver-wunderboi.
And dunt insult Alfy! Ppl liek u just cant apre-c-8 the goodness of teh movies. U and ur canon-shamanon! Liek that matters. I bet u dunt even like Orli - god of teh sex. And Alfy as his 2nd.
U cant even c teh truth behind the Ernie/Voodoo headmgreg. Theyre luv is sooo canon- my arguments in support bein 'ISNT IT OBVIOUS?!11!!' Cant u c, dat they are DESTINED 2 B! ITS FATE.
U tink cauz uve ritten 1 fic ure so gud. Well u noe, Ive ritten plentty! My luvely fic re: Ern's last words at teh end of time.
>quote<
'It is, time.'
'Ar.' sed Ern, his voice morningful & wistful.'
'It is, dah end of dah wurld, but teh beginnin of a knew aira.'
'Ar.' sed Ern, his voice now still sads, but tinges with hope and feeling.
'It is time, 4 u to recreate dah human race.'
'Ar.' said Ern, his voiced fulled of brave and stowic partriotism.
'It is time dat I present to u, THE VOODOOHEAD OF DOOM.'
'Ar.' said Ern, as he set eyes upon the voodoohead of doom, his voice now filled with wistful yearning.
'Ar.'
>/quote<
Ahh.. teh brillants....
U cant even c past ur nose! But Ernie can! He's got em thick glassess - u can take your oh so sweet page 38 and shove it under the Nite Bus cauz I'm introducing.. dah TRUE PAGE.
I've torn out da page, looked @ it, x-zamined it, kissed it, cried on it, held it tight - and *never let it go*, my dear and beloved, yes, dats rite folks- introduuuuucing page 35!
Collywobbles he sed.
Gas explosion 2.
Such wurds of wisdom. Eva so informative. -sniff-
Ern, u r my hero.
(yes please don't ban us *facepalms* *headdesks*)
stan is the next minister of magic, it's canon!!1
Date: 2004-07-17 05:13 am (UTC)"And dunt insult Alfy! Ppl liek u just cant apre-c-8 the goodness of teh movies."
Oh please, I slashed Stan/Daniel Radcliffe/Tom Felton/the hairdresser's dog Fifi/Fat Black Boy who had that hilarious line about smoke; I've payed my dues in your warped world of RPS!
"U and ur canon-shamanon! Liek that matters. I bet u dunt even like Orli - god of teh sex. And Alfy as his 2nd."
OMG, Orli totally deviated from canon in Troy!!1 I read 'The Iliad' eight times in the original Ancient Greek, which qualifies me to say I roxxor you suxxor, Orli totally adlibbed his lines and took Eric Bana's, and then changed the ending! Clearly he couldn't read his script JUST LIKE CUARON, who couldn't decipher 'the cat sat on the mat', let alone the wit and sensitivity of page 38!
Look at how the man raped the Knight Bus(Seriously, wtf was up with that effect of it sliding in half? I could have done that with a mirror!)
U tink cauz uve ritten 1 fic ure so gud. Well u noe, Ive ritten plentty! My luvely fic re: Ern's last words at teh end of time.
>quote< 'It is, time.'
'Ar.' sed Ern, his voice morningful & wistful.'
'It is, dah end of dah wurld, but teh beginnin of a knew aira.'
'Ar.' sed Ern, his voice now still sads, but tinges with hope and feeling.
'It is time, 4 u to recreate dah human race.'
'Ar.' said Ern, his voiced fulled of brave and stowic partriotism.
'It is time dat I present to u, THE VOODOOHEAD OF DOOM.'
'Ar.' said Ern, as he set eyes upon the voodoohead of doom, his voice now filled with wistful yearning.
'Ar.' >/quote<
Oh please. Ernie would never say that in canon! You've turned him into a Mary Sue, all knowing, all wise (YEAH, I saw all the positive adjectives you used! Don't you know the key to good characterization is acknowledging Ernie's obvious flaws, like, um, his bad eyesight!1)
You probably like Ernie with leather pants, you squeeing fangirl! Well, I hope you know CC plajerized that fic from ME!
Yeah, I was the first, back in '74, to 'go there' and explore Ernie, the previously dismissed lazy archetype, and flesh him out in to the witty Buffy quoting fanon creation that struts through the fandom!
But CC, my EX-BEST FRIEND totally stole my handwritten notes, and forged her way to glory, stepping on me! But all my true friends, members of my community and the 93985 readers of my f-list know the REAL story!
I've torn out da page, looked @ it, x-zamined it, kissed it, cried on it, held it tight - and *never let it go*, my dear and beloved, yes, dats rite folks- introduuuuucing page 35!
Collywobbles he sed. Gas explosion 2.
Such wurds of wisdom. Eva so informative. -sniff-
Ern, u r my hero. Oh please, if I was going to write sensitive Ernie angst (which I totally can! I just don't want to!), I could find alllll the evidence I need in canon:
Physical Descriptions: an elderly wizard, wears very thick glasses
Relatives/Friends: "works" with Stan Shunpike
JKR's subtle foreshadowing already reveals Stan and Harry's joint ticket as they run for Minister of Magic, that Stan is secretly a Veela (omg, Teh movie actor HAD BLONDE HAIR!!1111 Plus there's Stan's obvious fascination with Fleur (incestfic!)
Re: stan is the next minister of magic, it's canon!!1
Date: 2004-07-17 06:25 am (UTC)Oh puhleaze- u depies Ern SOOO much and yet u tink u noe so much about him. & I noe y.. its cauz u sekretly, subconseaenteously LUUUUV ERN, not Stan. So haha! LOL! LMFAO! HA H! HA!!!11!!11!1!111
And 4 ur in4mation in MY fics Ern has worn leather pants, dragon-hide boots and looked like teh sex, which he is. Ya gotta problem with old people, missie!!!111!!!
U expect me 2 buy dat?! I can TOTALLY not c u EVA recognizing teh greatness of Ern, u, r destined to seckrettly LUUUUV him but never fess up, and NEVER SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY AGAIN! In ur denial, u shall nvr recognise nor accept da truth & wither away & diiie never fully comprehending teh great mysteri of da universe witch is Ernie Prang! Unliek mah cult - witch cs AND recognises da greatness whichis he - & I've got 93986 followers SO HA. U sucker.
HAH ! DERE U C!! U r dracoizing Stan!!! U kant even accept ur admired 1 for whom he aint!
& for ur big fat in4mation, Ron is fascinated with Fleur 2 - so da both of em can go & be soul mates together! Ron/Stan I say! Here here!!!1!!!!1!!1111
Re: stan is the next minister of magic, it's canon!!1
Date: 2004-07-17 06:33 am (UTC)I've got a problem with your relentless fanonization of Ernie!
HAH ! DERE U C!! U r dracoizing Stan!!! U kant even accept ur admired 1 for whom he aint!
Draco and Stan represent Jung's shadowing theory and the name Malfoy means bad faith which is actually a term of existentialism!
You are so ignorant, it's clear that JKR is using political allegory to foreshadow the sekrit twist: DRACO IS STAN!1111 I call this theory Driver2Draco. *preens*
& for ur big fat in4mation, Ron is fascinated with Fleur 2 - so da both of em can go & be soul mates together! Ron/Stan I say! Here here!!!1!!!!1!!1111
Oh please. I was experimenting with Ron/Stan while you were still struggling to come to terms with the very concept of slash!
I just rejected it, because it's OOC, something that clearly never bothers you, the author of Harry/Ernie!
Re: stan is the next minister of magic, it's canon!!1
Date: 2004-07-17 06:41 am (UTC)ERNIE IS THE DRIVER.
Director2Draco then. not Driver2Draco!!1! -preens-
Puuuuhleaaaze. Ive been slashin since Fawkes met Gawdric Griffie. U however, dont even appre-c-8 a gud Harry/Ernie fic. I suppose u havent even thaught of Fordanglea/Womping Will have u?! HAVE U?! -dericive laffter-
Re: stan is the next minister of magic, it's canon!!1
Date: 2004-07-17 06:56 am (UTC)Oh, please Ford Anglia/Whomping Willow - derivative much? Theirloveisalreadycanon! I suppose next you'll be stunning us with the knowledge that Molly and Arthur are married, or perhaps some Lucius/Narcissa?
We Shunpike Gals are more about crossing boundaries in literature. We're like Shakespeare, adapting text and reinterpreting it.
Re: stan is the next minister of magic, it's canon!!1
Date: 2004-07-17 08:17 am (UTC)Pssssh. I suppose ull b saying next dat Milicent & Draco's nimbus have eloped. & didnt u noe dat Molly & Arthur arent married! Its all illegitimate! Becauz Arthur is really Molly's greatgrandcousin's aunt twice removed on his father's side gone 4ward and backwards in time 2 impregnate Molly wth duh HalfBloodPrince which is GINNY who is really male but dey after havin so many bois wanted a gurl, so they didnt tell her that she wuz masculine so she relly isnt relly ginevra but ginger and Arthur really is Ron, who is a halfblood prduct of Justin FF and Molly who also had a similiar timeturnin xpeerience.
DIDNT U NOE THAT?!?!
thattheoryislikesototallycanon!
Liek Shakespeare liek, as in you dunt rite ur own plays?
look I can be as annoying as OotP!Harry
Date: 2004-07-17 08:45 am (UTC)I'm sick of your passive aggressive bullshit!
I QUIT THE FANDOM. AND I'M TAKING AN OVERDOSE. RIGHT NOW. AS I TYPE, IN FACT.
ARE YOU HAPPY? YOU HAD TO PUSH AND PUSH AND YOU'VE WON. I'M REMOVING MY STAN/LUCIUS MALFOY FIC. OBVIOUSLY I HAVE NO TALENT, EVEN THOUGH ALL MY FRIENDS BETA-ED IT, INCLUDING ONE WHO'S SISTER'S MONKEY'S POSTMAN'S FRIEND'S GRANDAD'S PARROT ONCE MET JKR!
Re: look I can be as funnily capslocksy as OotP!Harry
Date: 2004-07-17 08:55 am (UTC)AND YOU KNOW WHAT?!
DEPITE TEH FACT THAT PPLZ HAVE ALWAYZ CRITIKISED ME, MADE FUN OF ME, BEEN CRUEL TO ME, MY WURkS WERE ALWAYS APPRECIATID BY TEH GENERAL PUBLIC YA NOE, BUT THIS IS ENOUGH.
IM FED UP.
I DUNT WANT TO BE A - A D- A DAMN SHIPPER ANYMORE!!!
IVE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS.
I WANT OUT!!
AND I AM GETTTIN OUT!!
YA HEAR ME!!
NO MORE ERN & VOODOOHEAD!!
NOE MORE!!
U CAN GO FEND 4 URSELF IN TEH REAL WORLd!!!]
SEE IF I CARE!!!11!!!
Teh End?
Date: 2004-07-17 09:31 am (UTC)---------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: bitch please!
Date: 2004-07-17 09:58 am (UTC)*is dead*
Too dead to slash page 35/page 38, fortunately.
Re: bitch please!
Date: 2004-07-17 02:54 pm (UTC)Re: bitch please!
Date: 2004-07-17 10:05 am (UTC)Not only will I ban you, I will retreat under Friends-Lock where I will never again have to interact with lowly fandom peons such as yourselves.
Also: PLAGIARISTS!!!!!!
Re: bitch please!
Date: 2004-07-17 11:03 am (UTC)I'm going to make a thinly veiled reference to this in my livejournal, then deny it's about you when your sockpuppets come to defend you!
Re: bitch please!
Date: 2004-07-17 02:59 pm (UTC)Re: bitch please!
Date: 2004-07-17 03:12 pm (UTC)n00bishism is g2 conkur all!!11!!1! Liek TO-TAH-LEE! XDDD
-cackles-